From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
mingo@elte.hu, jschopp@austin.ibm.com, arjan@infradead.org,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org, mbligh@mbligh.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 06:49:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070302054944.GE15867@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703012137580.1768@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:40:45PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:
>
> > So what do you mean by efficient? I guess you aren't talking about CPU
> > efficiency, because even if you make the IO subsystem submit larger
> > physical IOs, you still have to deal with 256 billion TLB entries, the
> > pagecache has to deal with 256 billion struct pages, so does the
> > filesystem code to build the bios.
>
> You do not have to deal with TLB entries if you do buffered I/O.
Where does the data come from?
> For mmapped I/O you would want to transparently use 2M TLBs if the
> page size is large.
>
> > So you are having problems with your IO controller's handling of sg
> > lists?
>
> We currently have problems with the kernel limits of 128 SG
> entries but the fundamental issue is that we can only do 2 Meg of I/O in
> one go given the default limits of the block layer. Typically the number
> of hardware SG entrie is also limited. We never will be able to put a
Seems like changing the default limits would be the easiest way to
fix it then?
As far as hardware limits go, I don't think you need to scale that
number linearly with the amount of memory you have, or even with the
IO throughput. You should reach a point where your command overhead
is amortised sufficiently, and the controller will be pipelining the
commands.
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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
mingo@elte.hu, jschopp@austin.ibm.com, arjan@infradead.org,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org, mbligh@mbligh.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 06:49:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070302054944.GE15867@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703012137580.1768@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:40:45PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:
>
> > So what do you mean by efficient? I guess you aren't talking about CPU
> > efficiency, because even if you make the IO subsystem submit larger
> > physical IOs, you still have to deal with 256 billion TLB entries, the
> > pagecache has to deal with 256 billion struct pages, so does the
> > filesystem code to build the bios.
>
> You do not have to deal with TLB entries if you do buffered I/O.
Where does the data come from?
> For mmapped I/O you would want to transparently use 2M TLBs if the
> page size is large.
>
> > So you are having problems with your IO controller's handling of sg
> > lists?
>
> We currently have problems with the kernel limits of 128 SG
> entries but the fundamental issue is that we can only do 2 Meg of I/O in
> one go given the default limits of the block layer. Typically the number
> of hardware SG entrie is also limited. We never will be able to put a
Seems like changing the default limits would be the easiest way to
fix it then?
As far as hardware limits go, I don't think you need to scale that
number linearly with the amount of memory you have, or even with the
IO throughput. You should reach a point where your command overhead
is amortised sufficiently, and the controller will be pipelining the
commands.
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2007-03-01 10:12 The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches Mel Gorman
2007-03-01 10:12 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 0:09 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 0:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 1:52 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02 1:52 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02 3:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 3:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 3:59 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 3:59 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 5:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 5:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 5:50 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02 5:50 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02 6:15 ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 6:15 ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 17:01 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:01 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:20 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 16:20 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:07 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:07 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:35 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:35 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 18:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 19:02 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 19:02 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 18:45 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 18:45 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 23:58 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-02 23:58 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-02 4:18 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02 4:18 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02 5:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 5:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 4:16 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-03-06 4:16 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-03-02 16:58 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:58 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:05 ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-02 17:05 ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 3:21 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 3:21 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 15:20 ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 15:20 ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 16:01 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 16:01 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 16:45 ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 16:45 ` Joel Schopp
2007-05-03 8:49 ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-05-03 8:49 ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-03-02 1:39 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02 1:39 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02 2:34 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02 2:34 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02 3:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 3:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 3:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 3:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 4:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 4:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 4:21 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 4:21 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 4:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 4:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 5:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 5:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 5:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 5:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 5:49 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-03-02 5:49 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 5:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 5:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 6:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 6:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 6:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 6:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 6:29 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 6:29 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 6:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 6:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 7:03 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 7:03 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 7:19 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 7:19 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 7:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 7:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 8:12 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 8:12 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 8:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 8:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 8:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 8:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 17:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-04 1:26 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04 1:26 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04 1:51 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04 1:51 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04 1:58 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04 1:58 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 5:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 5:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 4:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 4:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 4:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 4:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 4:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 4:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 4:20 ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 4:20 ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 13:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-03-02 13:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-03-02 15:29 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 15:29 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 16:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 16:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:09 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:09 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:35 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:35 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:43 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 17:43 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 18:06 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:06 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 18:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 18:23 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:23 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:23 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 18:23 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 19:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 19:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 19:40 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 19:40 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:12 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 21:12 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 21:19 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:19 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:03 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:03 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:34 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:34 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:51 ` Martin Bligh
2007-03-02 22:51 ` Martin Bligh
2007-03-02 22:54 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:54 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 23:28 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-02 23:28 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03 0:24 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 0:24 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:52 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-02 22:52 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-02 22:59 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:59 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 23:20 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 23:20 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03 1:40 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 1:40 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 1:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 1:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 3:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 3:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-02 23:16 ` [PATCH] : Optimizes timespec_trunc() Eric Dumazet
2007-03-03 0:33 ` The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 0:33 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 0:54 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 0:54 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 3:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-03 3:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-03 4:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 4:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 17:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03 17:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03 17:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-03 17:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 20:59 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 20:59 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 16:32 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:28 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:59 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-03 4:54 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02 1:52 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 1:52 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 10:38 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 10:38 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:31 ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-02 16:31 ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-02 21:37 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 21:37 ` Bill Irwin
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