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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@in.ibm.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	npiggin@suse.de, clameter@engr.sgi.com, mingo@elte.hu,
	jschopp@austin.ibm.com, arjan@infradead.org, mbligh@mbligh.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:22:26 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45E7835A.8000908@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703011642190.12485@woody.linux-foundation.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> So some urgent questions are: how are we going to do mem hotunplug and
>> per-container RSS?
> 
> Also: how are we going to do this in virtualized environments? Usually the 
> people who care abotu memory hotunplug are exactly the same people who 
> also care (or claim to care, or _will_ care) about virtualization.
> 
> My personal opinion is that while I'm not a huge fan of virtualization, 
> these kinds of things really _can_ be handled more cleanly at that layer, 
> and not in the kernel at all. Afaik, it's what IBM already does, and has 
> been doing for a while. There's no shame in looking at what already works, 
> especially if it's simpler.

Could you please clarify as to what "that layer" means - is it the
firmware/hardware for virtualization? or does it refer to user space?
With virtualization the linux kernel would end up acting as a hypervisor
and resource management support like per-container RSS support needs to
be built into the kernel.

It would also be useful to have a resource controller like per-container
RSS control (container refers to a task grouping) within the kernel or
non-virtualized environments as well.

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@in.ibm.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	npiggin@suse.de, clameter@engr.sgi.com, mingo@elte.hu,
	jschopp@austin.ibm.com, arjan@infradead.org, mbligh@mbligh.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:22:26 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45E7835A.8000908@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703011642190.12485@woody.linux-foundation.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> So some urgent questions are: how are we going to do mem hotunplug and
>> per-container RSS?
> 
> Also: how are we going to do this in virtualized environments? Usually the 
> people who care abotu memory hotunplug are exactly the same people who 
> also care (or claim to care, or _will_ care) about virtualization.
> 
> My personal opinion is that while I'm not a huge fan of virtualization, 
> these kinds of things really _can_ be handled more cleanly at that layer, 
> and not in the kernel at all. Afaik, it's what IBM already does, and has 
> been doing for a while. There's no shame in looking at what already works, 
> especially if it's simpler.

Could you please clarify as to what "that layer" means - is it the
firmware/hardware for virtualization? or does it refer to user space?
With virtualization the linux kernel would end up acting as a hypervisor
and resource management support like per-container RSS support needs to
be built into the kernel.

It would also be useful to have a resource controller like per-container
RSS control (container refers to a task grouping) within the kernel or
non-virtualized environments as well.

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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Thread overview: 203+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-01 10:12 The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches Mel Gorman
2007-03-01 10:12 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02  0:09 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  0:44   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  1:52     ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2007-03-02  1:52       ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  3:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  3:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  3:59         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  3:59           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  5:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  5:11             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  5:50             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02  5:50               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02  6:15               ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02  6:15                 ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 17:01                 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:01                   ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:20             ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 16:20               ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:07               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:07                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:35                 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:35                   ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 18:02                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:02                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 19:02                     ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 19:02                       ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:16               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 17:16                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 18:45                 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 18:45                   ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 19:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 19:03                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 23:58                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-02 23:58                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-02  4:18         ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  4:18           ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  5:13         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02  5:13           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  4:16         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-03-06  4:16           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-03-02 16:58     ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:58       ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:05     ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-02 17:05       ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05  3:21       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05  3:21         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 15:20         ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 15:20           ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 16:01           ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 16:01             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 16:45             ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 16:45               ` Joel Schopp
2007-05-03  8:49           ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-05-03  8:49             ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-03-02  1:39   ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  1:39     ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  2:34   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02  2:34     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02  3:05   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  3:05     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  3:57     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  3:57       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  4:06       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:06         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:21         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  4:21           ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  4:31           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:31             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  5:06             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  5:06               ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  5:40               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  5:40                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  5:49                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  5:49                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  5:53                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  5:53                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  6:08                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  6:08                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  6:19                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  6:19                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  6:29                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  6:29                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  6:51                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  6:51                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  7:03                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  7:03                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  7:19                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  7:19                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  7:44                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  7:44                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  8:12                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  8:12                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  8:21                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  8:21                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  8:38                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  8:38                                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 17:09                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:09                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-04  1:26                                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04  1:26                                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04  1:51                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  1:51                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  1:58                                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04  1:58                                         ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02  5:50               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  5:50                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:29         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  4:29           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  4:33           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:33             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:58             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  4:58               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  4:20       ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02  4:20         ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 13:50   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-03-02 13:50     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-03-02 15:29   ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 15:29     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 16:58     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 16:58       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:09       ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:09         ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:23       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:23         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:35         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:35           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:43           ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 17:43             ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 18:06             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:06               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:15               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 18:15                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 18:23                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:23                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 18:23                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 19:31                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 19:31                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 19:40                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 19:40                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:12                   ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 21:12                     ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 21:19                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:19                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:52                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 21:52                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:03                         ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:03                           ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:22                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:22                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:34                             ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:34                               ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:51                               ` Martin Bligh
2007-03-02 22:51                                 ` Martin Bligh
2007-03-02 22:54                                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:54                                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 23:28                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-02 23:28                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03  0:24                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03  0:24                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:52                               ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-02 22:52                                 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-02 22:59                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:59                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 23:20                                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 23:20                                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03  1:40                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  1:40                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  1:58                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03  1:58                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03  3:55                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  3:55                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-02 23:16                             ` [PATCH] : Optimizes timespec_trunc() Eric Dumazet
2007-03-03  0:33                             ` The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  0:33                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  0:54                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03  0:54                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03  3:15                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-03  3:15                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-03  4:19                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  4:19                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 17:16                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03 17:16                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03 17:50                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-03 17:50                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 20:59               ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 20:59                 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 16:32   ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:19     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:28       ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:48         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:59           ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-03  4:54     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02  1:52 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02  1:52   ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 10:38   ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 10:38     ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:31     ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-02 16:31       ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-02 21:37       ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 21:37         ` Bill Irwin

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