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From: Christer Weinigel <christer@weinigel.se>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>,
	Paul Rolland <rol@as2917.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	rol@witbe.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override.
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:32:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080101183238.74307174@weinigel.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080101164338.GA901@elte.hu>

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:43:38 +0100
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:

> if someone runs a fresh new kernel on an ancient device then timings 
> _will_ change a bit, no matter what we do. Alignments change, the 
> compiler output will change (old compilers get deprecated so a new 
> compiler might have to be picked), cache effects change - and this is 
> inevitable. The important thing is to not eliminate the delays - but
> we sure dont have to keep them cycle accurate (we couldnt even if we
> wanted to). The only way to get the _exact same_ behavior is to not
> change the kernel at all.

What I'm afraid is that udelay will be significantly slower, which
might hit anything that does a lot of gettimeofday calls (poking at the
PIT timer)  on embedded 386/486 systems.  On the other hand, those
systems might not want to upgrade to 2.6 anyway.  

And why do people keep buying HP hardware?  HP seem to be quite
Linux-unfriendly on the desktop [1] and on their laptops.  Apparently
HP doesn't even bother to try Linux on any of their non-server systems.

[1] Try running Linux on a HP DC7700 machine, there seems to be a lot
of magic stuff in those machines that doesn't work well with Linux.
They had some ACPI crap that stopped FC7 from booting without a lot of
magic PCI access options and audio still does not work.  

/Christer

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-01 17:33 UTC|newest]

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2007-11-12 16:55                 ` [PATCH] x86: fix locking and sync bugs in x86_64 RTC code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14  7:49                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-14 13:10                     ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 18:26                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-11-14 21:22                         ` David P. Reed
2007-11-12 17:02                 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-14  7:57                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-12 19:19                 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:47                 ` [PATCH] x86: fix freeze in x86_64 RTC update code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:49                 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-15  1:14                 ` [PATCH] x86: on x86_64, correct reading of PC RTC when update in progress in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-15 19:33                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-15 20:31                     ` David P. Reed
2007-11-15 22:17                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-12-14  2:59                 ` [PATCH] x86_64: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-14  7:49                   ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-14  9:45                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:36                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:56                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 18:36                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-14 18:48                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 21:05                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 22:59                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 10:51                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-14 11:11                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-14 13:15                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:24                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:47                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:41                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:42                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:03                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:10                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:21                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 18:02                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 18:23                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 21:06                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 22:13                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 23:29                           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15  3:04                             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15  5:45                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 17:17                                 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 17:46                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 22:50                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 22:52                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15  8:08                             ` Paul Rolland
2007-12-15  8:13                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:27                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 23:26                                   ` [PATCH] x86: " Rene Herman
2007-12-15 23:51                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16  0:05                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 13:15                                       ` [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-16 15:22                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17  1:43                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  2:05                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  2:19                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  3:35                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 13:02                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 17:14                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 19:43                                                       ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:02                                                           ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 21:17                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:25                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 15:57                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 21:16                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 15:59                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 16:15                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 16:43                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 18:45                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 20:14                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:13                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:07                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 10:04                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:11                                                                         ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-02 13:21                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:47                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 15:35                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 15:50                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 17:32                                                                 ` Christer Weinigel [this message]
2008-01-01 18:46                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 19:35                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 19:59                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 20:55                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:24                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:01                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 21:26                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:42                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:42                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:50                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:21                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:05                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 23:12                                                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02  0:23                                                                             ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02 10:00                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32                                                               ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 17:38                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:15                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:35                                                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:44                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 22:35                                                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 22:39                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:11                                                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  0:25                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  0:55                                                                           ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02  1:00                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  2:27                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 17:27                                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-01-09 18:18                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 17:31                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 17:33                                                               ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17  4:09                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 10:57                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 11:29                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:34                                                 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 12:15                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:09                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:22                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:31                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17 13:31                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:32                                                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 13:36                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 14:39                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 16:12                                                         ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 16:48                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 20:48                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 20:57                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:33                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:40                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:46                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:50                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:41                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:47                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:56                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 22:01                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 22:18                                                                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:38                                                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:28                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:42                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  1:48                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  1:53                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:12                                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17  1:56                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  2:04                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  2:15                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-16  0:23                                     ` [PATCH] x86: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-15 20:26                               ` [PATCH] x86_64: " H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 22:55                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16  9:27                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:04                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 23:20                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18  0:06                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-18 15:49                                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-17 22:46                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-15  7:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15  7:58                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 13:27                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15 14:01                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:25                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 14:29                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 16:19                               ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 16:48                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-15 17:51                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 23:00                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 23:04                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16  9:40                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:43                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:06                             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-16 23:23                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16 23:34                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-26 20:49                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17  1:51                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 16:08                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-15  2:13                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15  2:20                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15  2:20                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 18:14                       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-12-17 18:54                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 18:54                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-19 15:03                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-19 15:03                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-30  3:34 [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-30  9:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 12:48   ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:05     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:08       ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 16:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:21           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 14:14   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 14:47   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 15:28     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 15:38       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 16:01         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:48           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 17:08             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:14             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:39               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 19:33                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:00                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:09                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:20                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-30 21:36                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 23:14                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31  0:23                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 11:59                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 18:19                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 12:23               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:35                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-31 15:56                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 20:22                     ` Ondrej Zary
2007-12-31 21:25                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 21:47                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 23:24                           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 23:41                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-02  3:01                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:10         ` Juergen Beisert
2007-12-30 20:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31  1:03             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31  1:40               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 15:47       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 16:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:27           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 17:54               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:29               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 18:43                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 20:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:07                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:25                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:29                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-31 13:11                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 16:48                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:28             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 21:54               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:13           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 15:29             ` Christer Weinigel
2007-12-31 13:21           ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-31 12:29             ` Alan Cox
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2007-12-30 18:10         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 20:56           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:32               ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 21:33               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:44               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:58                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:53         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:31           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:39             ` Bodo Eggert
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2008-01-08 12:51                                       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:09                                         ` Rene Herman
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2008-01-08 13:17                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:38                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08  3:15                         ` Christer Weinigel

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