From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>
Cc: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
"David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>,
Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Paul Rolland <rol@as2917.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
rol@witbe.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override.
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:18:22 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47850FEE.5000205@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64N.0801091718230.890@blysk.ds.pg.gda.pl>
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>
>> It's specifically a side effect *we don't care about*, except in the
>> by-now-somewhat-exotic case of 386+387 (where we indeed can't use it once user
>> code has touched the FPU -- but we can fall back to 0x80 on those, a very
>> small number of systems.) 486+ doesn't use this interface under Linux, since
>> Linux uses the proper exception path on those processors. If Compaq had wired
>> up the proper signals on the first 386 PC motherboards, we wouldn't have cared
>> about it on the 386 either.
>
> It was actually IBM who broke it with the 80286-based PC/AT because of
> the BIOS compatibility -- the vector #0x10 had already been claimed by the
> original PC for the video software interrupt call (apparently against
> Intel's recommendation not to use low 32 interrupt vectors for such
> purposes), so it could not have been reused as is for FP exception
> handling without breaking existing software. I suppose a more complicated
> piece of glue logic could have been used along the lines of what
> eventually went into the i486, but presumably the relatively low level of
> integration of the PC/AT made such additional circuits hard to justify
> even if it indeed was considered.
>
Supposedly the reason was that the DOS-less "cassette BASIC" delivered
by Microsoft used all the INT instructions except the reserved ones as a
weird bytecode interpreter. Bill Gates was fond of that kind of hacks.
-hpa
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2007-11-12 16:55 ` [PATCH] x86: fix locking and sync bugs in x86_64 RTC code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14 7:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-14 13:10 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 18:26 ` Matt Mackall
2007-11-14 21:22 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-12 17:02 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-14 7:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-12 19:19 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:47 ` [PATCH] x86: fix freeze in x86_64 RTC update code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:49 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-15 1:14 ` [PATCH] x86: on x86_64, correct reading of PC RTC when update in progress in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-15 19:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-15 20:31 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-15 22:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-12-14 2:59 ` [PATCH] x86_64: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-14 7:49 ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-14 9:45 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:36 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:56 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 18:36 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-14 18:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 21:05 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 22:59 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 10:51 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-14 11:11 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-14 13:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:42 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:10 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 18:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 18:23 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 21:06 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 22:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 23:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 3:04 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 5:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 17:17 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 17:46 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 22:50 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 22:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 8:08 ` Paul Rolland
2007-12-15 8:13 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 23:26 ` [PATCH] x86: " Rene Herman
2007-12-15 23:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 0:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 13:15 ` [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-16 15:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 1:43 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 2:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 2:19 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 3:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 13:02 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 17:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 19:43 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:02 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 21:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:25 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 15:57 ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 21:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 15:59 ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 16:15 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 16:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 18:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 20:14 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:13 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:07 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 10:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:11 ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-02 13:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:47 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 15:35 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 15:50 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 17:32 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 18:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 19:35 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 19:59 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 20:55 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 21:26 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:42 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:42 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:05 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 23:12 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 0:23 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02 10:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32 ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 17:38 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:35 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 22:35 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 22:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:11 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 0:25 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 0:55 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02 1:00 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 2:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 17:27 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-01-09 18:18 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-01-01 17:31 ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 17:33 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 4:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 10:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 11:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:34 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 12:15 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:22 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:31 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17 13:31 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:32 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 13:36 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 14:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 16:12 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 16:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 20:48 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 20:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:33 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:50 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:47 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 22:01 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 22:18 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:38 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 1:48 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 1:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:12 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 1:56 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 2:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 2:15 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-16 0:23 ` [PATCH] x86: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-15 20:26 ` [PATCH] x86_64: " H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 22:55 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16 9:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:04 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 23:20 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18 0:06 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-18 15:49 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-17 22:46 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-15 7:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15 7:58 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 13:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15 14:01 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 14:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 16:19 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 16:48 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-15 17:51 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 23:00 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 23:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 9:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:06 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-16 23:23 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16 23:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-26 20:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17 1:51 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 16:08 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-15 2:13 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 2:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 2:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 18:14 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-12-17 18:54 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 18:54 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-19 15:03 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-19 15:03 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-30 3:34 [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-30 9:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 12:48 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:08 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 16:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:21 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 14:14 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 14:47 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 15:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 15:38 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 16:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:48 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 17:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:14 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:39 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 19:33 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:09 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:20 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-30 21:36 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 23:14 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31 0:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 11:59 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 18:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 12:23 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:35 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-31 15:56 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 20:22 ` Ondrej Zary
2007-12-31 21:25 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 21:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 23:24 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 23:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-02 3:01 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:10 ` Juergen Beisert
2007-12-30 20:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 1:03 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31 1:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 15:47 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 16:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:27 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 17:54 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 18:43 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 20:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:07 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-31 13:11 ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 16:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:28 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 21:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:13 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 15:29 ` Christer Weinigel
2007-12-31 13:21 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-31 12:29 ` Alan Cox
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2007-12-30 17:50 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 18:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 20:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:32 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 21:33 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:58 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:31 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:39 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 15:56 ` Alan Cox
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2008-01-07 19:38 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 19:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:02 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:27 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:59 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-07 23:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 23:26 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08 0:10 ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-09 21:01 ` Matthieu castet
2008-01-08 12:51 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:09 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08 14:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:25 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 13:17 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:38 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 3:15 ` Christer Weinigel
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