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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86_64: Implement personality ADDR_LIMIT_32BIT
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:42:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081006084246.GC3180@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081006081717.GA20072@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:17:23AM +0300, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 08:13:19AM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> writes:
> > >
> > >> 
> > >> but more generally, we already have ADDR_LIMIT_3GB support on x86.
> > >
> > > Does ADDR_LIMIT_3GB really work?
> > 
> > As Arjan pointed out it only takes effect on exec()
> > 
> > andi@basil:~/tsrc> cat tstack2.c
> > #include <stdio.h>
> > int main(void)
> > {
> >         void *p = &p;
> >         printf("%p\n", &p);
> >         return 0;
> > }
> > andi@basil:~/tsrc> gcc -m32 tstack2.c  -o tstack2
> > andi@basil:~/tsrc> ./tstack2 
> > 0xff807d70
> > andi@basil:~/tsrc> linux32 --3gb ./tstack2 
> > 0xbfae2840
> 
> Which kernel do you use?

This was 2.6.26 (+ some irrelevant patches)

> Does it work only when compiled with -m32?

Yes. For 64bit processes you use the method described below for mmap.

> mmap() has MAP_32BIT flag on x86_64.

MAP_32BIT is just a short form for this, it's internally the same.
But it's actually MAP_31BIT. If you want the full 4GB you should not use it.

> 
> > Unfortunately that doesn't work for shmat() because the address argument
> > is not a search hint, but a fixed address. 
> > 
> > I presume you need this for the qemu syscall emulation. For a standard
> > application I would just recommend to use mmap with tmpfs instead
> > (sysv shm is kind of obsolete). For shmat() emulation the cleanest way
> > would be probably to add a new flag to shmat() that says that address
> > is a search hint, not a fixed address. Then implement it the way recommended
> > above.
> 
> I prefer one handle to switch application to 32-bit address mode. Why is it
> wrong?

"32 bit mode" really has to be set at exec time, otherwise it is not
(e.g. the stack will be beyond).

And personality() is not thread local/safe, so it's not a particularly
good interface to use later. Per system call switches are preferable
and more flexible.

-Andi
-- 
ak@linux.intel.com

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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86_64: Implement personality ADDR_LIMIT_32BIT
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:42:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081006084246.GC3180@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081006081717.GA20072@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:17:23AM +0300, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 08:13:19AM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> writes:
> > >
> > >> 
> > >> but more generally, we already have ADDR_LIMIT_3GB support on x86.
> > >
> > > Does ADDR_LIMIT_3GB really work?
> > 
> > As Arjan pointed out it only takes effect on exec()
> > 
> > andi@basil:~/tsrc> cat tstack2.c
> > #include <stdio.h>
> > int main(void)
> > {
> >         void *p = &p;
> >         printf("%p\n", &p);
> >         return 0;
> > }
> > andi@basil:~/tsrc> gcc -m32 tstack2.c  -o tstack2
> > andi@basil:~/tsrc> ./tstack2 
> > 0xff807d70
> > andi@basil:~/tsrc> linux32 --3gb ./tstack2 
> > 0xbfae2840
> 
> Which kernel do you use?

This was 2.6.26 (+ some irrelevant patches)

> Does it work only when compiled with -m32?

Yes. For 64bit processes you use the method described below for mmap.

> mmap() has MAP_32BIT flag on x86_64.

MAP_32BIT is just a short form for this, it's internally the same.
But it's actually MAP_31BIT. If you want the full 4GB you should not use it.

> 
> > Unfortunately that doesn't work for shmat() because the address argument
> > is not a search hint, but a fixed address. 
> > 
> > I presume you need this for the qemu syscall emulation. For a standard
> > application I would just recommend to use mmap with tmpfs instead
> > (sysv shm is kind of obsolete). For shmat() emulation the cleanest way
> > would be probably to add a new flag to shmat() that says that address
> > is a search hint, not a fixed address. Then implement it the way recommended
> > above.
> 
> I prefer one handle to switch application to 32-bit address mode. Why is it
> wrong?

"32 bit mode" really has to be set at exec time, otherwise it is not
(e.g. the stack will be beyond).

And personality() is not thread local/safe, so it's not a particularly
good interface to use later. Per system call switches are preferable
and more flexible.

-Andi
-- 
ak@linux.intel.com

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-06  8:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-03  7:04 [PATCH] x86_64: Implement personality ADDR_LIMIT_32BIT Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-03  7:04 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-03  8:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-03  8:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-03  9:25   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-03 12:44     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-03 12:44       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-03 12:58       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-06  6:13     ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06  6:13       ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06  8:17       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-06  8:42         ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-10-06  8:42           ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06  9:17           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-06  9:56             ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06  9:56               ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06 10:12               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-06 13:26                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06 13:26                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06 14:37                   ` [PATCH, RFC] shmat: introduce flag SHM_MAP_HINT Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-06 14:37                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-06 19:29                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06 19:29                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07  6:57                       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-07  6:57                       ` [PATCH, RFC, v2] " Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-07  6:57                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-07  8:20                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07  8:20                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 10:09                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-07 11:26                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 11:26                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 11:23                               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-07 14:38                               ` Hugh Dickins
2008-10-07 14:38                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-10-07 15:10                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 15:10                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 11:08                     ` [PATCH, RFC] " KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-10-07 11:08                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-10-07 11:21                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 11:21                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 11:21                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-07 11:26                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-10-07 11:26                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-10-07 11:30                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-07 11:50                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 11:50                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 11:24                       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-07 12:31                         ` Alan Cox
2008-10-07 12:31                           ` Alan Cox
2008-10-07 13:14                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-07 13:14                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-03  9:33   ` [PATCH] x86_64: Implement personality ADDR_LIMIT_32BIT Kirill A. Shutemov
2008-10-03  9:33     ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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