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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	Haren Myneni <hbabu@us.ibm.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@verge.net.au>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] kvm: disable virtualization on kdump
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:45:30 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081028194530.GK23893@blackpad> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m18wsa7xl0.fsf@frodo.ebiederm.org>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:32:43AM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> writes:
<snip>
> >
> > I wouldn't mind notifiers (with a nice comment explaining that you must know
> > what you're doing, though that's the case with most kernel APIs).  I'm fine with
> > either approach.
> 
> This is the 3rd request I have seen for a notifier.  This is the first
> request I have seen for code that must be executed in the kexec on
> panic path.  So history suggest to me that notifiers make it
> unreasonably easy to get code onto the kexec on panic code path.
> 
> Occasionally the kexec on panic code path is tested to see how
> well it works in strange situations like being called from
> a stack overflow etc.
> 
> The rest of the history is that previous attempts like lkcd
> had very programmer friendly interfaces, that worked fine
> in test environments giving beautiful core dumps, but when things
> broke in the field they were essentially useless.  The kdump
> approach is still not completely reliable but it does work
> well enough that people get useful crash dumps sometimes.
> 
> I feel anything that makes the kexec on panic code path harder
> to verify it will work when things are crazy broken, like
> a notifier is something we should avoid.

I am still wondering if a simple function pointer (instead of a full
notifier interface) would be good enough. It looks like a reasonable
tradeoff.

I think I will get flamed if I try to pull to the core a bunch of code
that always lived in the KVM module.  8)

And even if we pull those functions to the core, we will still have
a function pointer on the new code anyway, because we would need to
support vmx and svm.

-- 
Eduardo

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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm-3NddpPZAyC0@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	kexec-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	Haren Myneni <hbabu-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Simon Horman <horms-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Avi Kivity <avi-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] kvm: disable virtualization on kdump
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:45:30 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081028194530.GK23893@blackpad> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m18wsa7xl0.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:32:43AM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Avi Kivity <avi-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
<snip>
> >
> > I wouldn't mind notifiers (with a nice comment explaining that you must know
> > what you're doing, though that's the case with most kernel APIs).  I'm fine with
> > either approach.
> 
> This is the 3rd request I have seen for a notifier.  This is the first
> request I have seen for code that must be executed in the kexec on
> panic path.  So history suggest to me that notifiers make it
> unreasonably easy to get code onto the kexec on panic code path.
> 
> Occasionally the kexec on panic code path is tested to see how
> well it works in strange situations like being called from
> a stack overflow etc.
> 
> The rest of the history is that previous attempts like lkcd
> had very programmer friendly interfaces, that worked fine
> in test environments giving beautiful core dumps, but when things
> broke in the field they were essentially useless.  The kdump
> approach is still not completely reliable but it does work
> well enough that people get useful crash dumps sometimes.
> 
> I feel anything that makes the kexec on panic code path harder
> to verify it will work when things are crazy broken, like
> a notifier is something we should avoid.

I am still wondering if a simple function pointer (instead of a full
notifier interface) would be good enough. It looks like a reasonable
tradeoff.

I think I will get flamed if I try to pull to the core a bunch of code
that always lived in the KVM module.  8)

And even if we pull those functions to the core, we will still have
a function pointer on the new code anyway, because we would need to
support vmx and svm.

-- 
Eduardo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-28 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-20 15:01 [PATCH 0/2] kvm: disable virtualization on kdump Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-20 15:01 ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-20 15:01 ` [PATCH 1/2] kdump: crash-time CPU halt notifier interface Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-20 15:01   ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-20 15:01 ` [PATCH 2/2] kvm: disable virtualization when halting CPUs on crash Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-20 15:01   ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-22 23:28 ` [PATCH 0/2] kvm: disable virtualization on kdump Simon Horman
2008-10-22 23:28   ` Simon Horman
2008-10-23 19:41   ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-23 19:41     ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-23 22:29     ` Simon Horman
2008-10-23 22:29       ` Simon Horman
2008-10-24  1:00       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-24  1:00         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-26 12:49         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-26 12:49           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-26 14:46           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-26 14:46             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-26 15:07             ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-26 15:07               ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-26 21:39               ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-26 21:39                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-27  2:08                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-27  2:08                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-27  9:13                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-27  9:13                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-27 12:28                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-27 12:28                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-27 14:02                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-27 14:02                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-27 17:32                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-27 17:32                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-28 19:45                           ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2008-10-28 19:45                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-28 20:13                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-28 20:13                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-29  9:41                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-29  9:41                                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-29 14:54                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-29 14:54                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-29 17:03                                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-29 17:03                                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-30  1:33                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-30  1:33                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-30  7:35                                       ` Chris Lalancette
2008-10-30  7:35                                         ` Chris Lalancette
2008-10-30  7:43                                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-30  7:43                                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-30  7:52                                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-30  7:52                                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-29  9:31                             ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-29  9:31                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-27 15:05                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-27 15:05                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-27 15:50                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-27 15:50                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-27  8:54                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-27  8:54                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-27 13:09                   ` Vivek Goyal
2008-10-27 13:09                     ` Vivek Goyal
2008-10-27 14:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-27 14:04                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-29 20:10                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-29 20:10                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-29 20:29                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-29 20:29                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-29 21:05                       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-10-29 21:05                         ` Vivek Goyal
2008-10-30  0:58                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-30  0:58                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-26 21:47               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-26 21:47                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-27  8:59                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-27  8:59                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-27 15:02                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-27 15:02                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-27 15:38                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-27 15:38                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2008-10-26 12:46     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-26 12:46       ` Avi Kivity

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