From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Jaswinder Singh Rajput <jaswinder@kernel.org>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Jaswinder Singh Rajput <jaswinderlinux@gmail.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
hskinnemoen@atmel.com, cooloney@kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
ralf@linux-mips.org, dhowells@redhat.com, matthew@wil.cx,
chris@zankel.net, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-next <linux-next@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-ia64 <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-next][PATCH] revert headers_check fix: ia64, fpu.h
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:14:00 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090206171400.GA14818@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090206163857.GJ13758@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
* Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 05:33:14PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > * Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 05:12:29PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > * Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > We cannot see any downside of this patch.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But we can see upside of this patch is:
> > > > > > 1. No need to protect linux/types.h with #ifndef __ASSEMBLY__ in many
> > > > > > files
> > > > > > 2. So we trying to replace multiple #ifndef __ASSEMBLY__ with one.
> > > > >
> > > > > The point is:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. If the parent include needs to include linux/types.h to get at C
> > > > > types _and_ the include file needs to also be included by assembly
> > > > > code, it itself needs to have #ifndef __ASSEMBLY__ to protect those
> > > > > uses from the assembly code.
> > > > >
> > > > > In that case, the linux/types.h include should be contained within
> > > > > the #ifndef __ASSEMBLY__ .. #endif block along with all C only
> > > > > parts of the header file.
> > > >
> > > > That makes the code much less clean: putting #include's in the middle of a
> > > > header is poor style and leads to people failing to consider dependencies.
> > > > We generally put them to the header portion.
> > > >
> > > > Putting an #include line in the middle of a header file is a receipe for a
> > > > dependency hell (it can easily fall inside #ifdefs, can be overlooked,
> > > > etc.), so it's _strongly_ discouraged (at least on arch/x86).
> > >
> > > Put them at the top then with an additional ifndef.
> >
> > So you advocate 40 stupid pairs of #ifdefs spread out, instead of a
> > _single_, obvious #ifdef in a commonly used header?
>
> As I see it, if you want all your style points to be adhered to, then yes.
> And I do believe it to be a valid solution.
>
> Personally, I'd put them nearer the C code.
>
> That's precisely what I do with the ARM include files. Never been a
> problem.
I take this that you kind of agree that that removing ugly #ifdefs spread
out is an upside. You failed to point out any downsides - you just seem to
claim that you can live without the upsides. That is fine.
Ingo
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Jaswinder Singh Rajput <jaswinder@kernel.org>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Jaswinder Singh Rajput <jaswinderlinux@gmail.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
hskinnemoen@atmel.com, cooloney@kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
ralf@linux-mips.org, dhowells@redhat.com, matthew@wil.cx,
chris@zankel.net, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-next <linux-next@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-ia64 <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-next][PATCH] revert headers_check fix: ia64, fpu.h
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:14:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090206171400.GA14818@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090206163857.GJ13758@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
* Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 05:33:14PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > * Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 05:12:29PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > * Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > We cannot see any downside of this patch.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But we can see upside of this patch is:
> > > > > > 1. No need to protect linux/types.h with #ifndef __ASSEMBLY__ in many
> > > > > > files
> > > > > > 2. So we trying to replace multiple #ifndef __ASSEMBLY__ with one.
> > > > >
> > > > > The point is:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. If the parent include needs to include linux/types.h to get at C
> > > > > types _and_ the include file needs to also be included by assembly
> > > > > code, it itself needs to have #ifndef __ASSEMBLY__ to protect those
> > > > > uses from the assembly code.
> > > > >
> > > > > In that case, the linux/types.h include should be contained within
> > > > > the #ifndef __ASSEMBLY__ .. #endif block along with all C only
> > > > > parts of the header file.
> > > >
> > > > That makes the code much less clean: putting #include's in the middle of a
> > > > header is poor style and leads to people failing to consider dependencies.
> > > > We generally put them to the header portion.
> > > >
> > > > Putting an #include line in the middle of a header file is a receipe for a
> > > > dependency hell (it can easily fall inside #ifdefs, can be overlooked,
> > > > etc.), so it's _strongly_ discouraged (at least on arch/x86).
> > >
> > > Put them at the top then with an additional ifndef.
> >
> > So you advocate 40 stupid pairs of #ifdefs spread out, instead of a
> > _single_, obvious #ifdef in a commonly used header?
>
> As I see it, if you want all your style points to be adhered to, then yes.
> And I do believe it to be a valid solution.
>
> Personally, I'd put them nearer the C code.
>
> That's precisely what I do with the ARM include files. Never been a
> problem.
I take this that you kind of agree that that removing ugly #ifdefs spread
out is an upside. You failed to point out any downsides - you just seem to
claim that you can live without the upsides. That is fine.
Ingo
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Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-31 7:10 [git pull -tip] headers_check fixes for other architectures Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-01-31 16:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-01 6:30 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-01 10:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-01 16:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-01 17:06 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-01 17:20 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-01 17:31 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-01 18:33 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-02 17:11 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-02 18:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-02 18:29 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-02 18:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-05 17:55 ` Tony Luck
2009-02-05 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-05 19:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 2:06 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 2:14 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-06 2:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 14:18 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 14:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 14:34 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 14:51 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 14:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 15:00 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 15:10 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 15:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 16:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 17:24 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-02-06 17:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 18:11 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 18:42 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-02-06 19:31 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-08 5:50 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-09 12:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 8:19 ` [linux-next][PATCH] revert headers_check fix: ia64, fpu.h KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-06 8:19 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-06 8:19 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-06 8:53 ` [PATCH] " Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 8:53 ` [linux-next][PATCH] " Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 8:53 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 9:11 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-06 9:11 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-06 14:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 14:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 14:55 ` [PATCH] " Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 15:29 ` [linux-next][PATCH] " Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 15:41 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 15:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 15:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 15:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 15:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 15:45 ` [PATCH] " Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 15:49 ` [linux-next][PATCH] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 15:49 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 15:49 ` [PATCH] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 16:01 ` [linux-next][PATCH] " Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 16:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 16:01 ` [PATCH] " Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 15:48 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 15:52 ` [linux-next][PATCH] " Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 15:48 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-02-06 15:55 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 15:55 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 16:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 16:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 16:23 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 16:23 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 16:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 16:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 16:33 ` [PATCH] " Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 16:38 ` [linux-next][PATCH] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 16:38 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 16:38 ` [PATCH] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 17:14 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-02-06 17:14 ` [linux-next][PATCH] " Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 17:22 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 17:22 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-02-06 17:32 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-02-06 17:32 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-02-06 17:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 17:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-06 18:53 ` Luck, Tony
2009-02-06 18:53 ` Luck, Tony
2009-02-06 18:53 ` [PATCH] " Luck, Tony
2009-02-06 13:42 ` [linux-next][PATCH] " Sam Ravnborg
2009-02-06 13:42 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-02-06 13:42 ` [PATCH] " Sam Ravnborg
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