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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] page-allocator: Under memory pressure, wait on pressure to relieve instead of congestion
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:30:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100309173003.GH4883@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1003091109040.28897@router.home>

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 11:11:55AM -0600, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Mel Gorman wrote:
> 
> > Until it's timeout at least. It's still better than the current
> > situation of sleeping on congestion.
> 
> Congestion may clear if memory becomes available in other zones.
> 

I understand that.

> > The ideal would be waiting on a per-node basis. I'm just not liking having
> > to look up the node structure when freeing a patch of pages and making a
> > cache line in there unnecessarily hot.
> 
> The node structure (pgdat) contains the zone structures. If you know the
> type of zone then you can calculate the pgdat address.
> 

I know you can lookup the pgdat from the zone structure. The concern is that
the suggestion requires adding fields to the node structure that then become
hot in the free_page path when the per-cpu lists are being drained. This patch
also adds a hot cache line to the zone but at least it can be eliminated by
using zone->flags. The same optimisation does not apply to working on a
per-node basis.

Adding such a hot line is a big minus and the gain is that processes may
wake up slightly faster when under memory pressure. It's not a good trade-off.

> > > But then an overallocated node may stall processes. If that node is full
> > > of unreclaimable memory then the process may never wake up?
> >
> > Processes wake after a timeout.
> 
> Ok that limits it but still we may be waiting for no reason.
> 

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] page-allocator: Under memory pressure, wait on pressure to relieve instead of congestion
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:30:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100309173003.GH4883@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1003091109040.28897@router.home>

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 11:11:55AM -0600, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Mel Gorman wrote:
> 
> > Until it's timeout at least. It's still better than the current
> > situation of sleeping on congestion.
> 
> Congestion may clear if memory becomes available in other zones.
> 

I understand that.

> > The ideal would be waiting on a per-node basis. I'm just not liking having
> > to look up the node structure when freeing a patch of pages and making a
> > cache line in there unnecessarily hot.
> 
> The node structure (pgdat) contains the zone structures. If you know the
> type of zone then you can calculate the pgdat address.
> 

I know you can lookup the pgdat from the zone structure. The concern is that
the suggestion requires adding fields to the node structure that then become
hot in the free_page path when the per-cpu lists are being drained. This patch
also adds a hot cache line to the zone but at least it can be eliminated by
using zone->flags. The same optimisation does not apply to working on a
per-node basis.

Adding such a hot line is a big minus and the gain is that processes may
wake up slightly faster when under memory pressure. It's not a good trade-off.

> > > But then an overallocated node may stall processes. If that node is full
> > > of unreclaimable memory then the process may never wake up?
> >
> > Processes wake after a timeout.
> 
> Ok that limits it but still we may be waiting for no reason.
> 

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-09 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-08 11:48 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48 ` [PATCH 1/3] page-allocator: Under memory pressure, wait on pressure to relieve instead of congestion Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48   ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 13:35   ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 13:35     ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 14:17     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 14:17       ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 15:03       ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 15:03         ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 15:42         ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-09 15:42           ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-09 18:22           ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 18:22             ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-10  2:38             ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-10  2:38               ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 17:35         ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 17:35           ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-10  2:35           ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-10  2:35             ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 15:50   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 15:50     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 15:56     ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-09 15:56       ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-09 16:09       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 16:09         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 17:01         ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 17:01           ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 17:11           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 17:11             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 17:30             ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-03-09 17:30               ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48 ` [PATCH 2/3] page-allocator: Check zone pressure when batch of pages are freed Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48   ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09  9:53   ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09  9:53     ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:08     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:08       ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:23       ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:23         ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:36         ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:36           ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 11:11           ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 11:11             ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 11:29             ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 11:29               ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Put kswapd to sleep on its own waitqueue, not congestion Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48   ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:00   ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:00     ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:21     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:21       ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:32       ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:32         ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-11 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure Andrew Morton
2010-03-11 23:41   ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-12  6:39   ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-12  6:39     ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-12  7:05     ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-12  7:05       ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-12 10:47       ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-12 10:47         ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-12 12:15         ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-12 12:15           ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-12 14:37           ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-12 14:37             ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-15 12:29             ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-15 12:29               ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-15 14:45               ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-15 14:45                 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-15 12:34             ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-15 12:34               ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-15 20:09               ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-15 20:09                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-16 10:11                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-16 10:11                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-18 17:42                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-18 17:42                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-22 23:50                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-22 23:50                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-23 14:35                   ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-23 14:35                     ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-23 21:35                   ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-03-23 21:35                     ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-03-24 11:48                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-24 11:48                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-24 12:56                       ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-03-24 12:56                         ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-03-23 22:29                   ` Rik van Riel
2010-03-23 22:29                     ` Rik van Riel
2010-03-24 14:50                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-24 14:50                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-19 12:22                       ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-19 12:22                         ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-19 21:44                         ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-19 21:44                           ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-20  7:20                           ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-20  7:20                             ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-20  8:54                             ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-20  8:54                               ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-20 15:32                             ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-20 15:32                               ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-20 17:22                               ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-20 17:22                                 ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-21  4:23                                 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-21  4:23                                   ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-21  7:35                                   ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-21  7:35                                     ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-21 13:19                                     ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-21 13:19                                       ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-22  6:21                                       ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-22  6:21                                         ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 10:59                                         ` Subject: [PATCH][RFC] mm: make working set portion that is protected tunable v2 Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 10:59                                           ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 11:59                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-26 11:59                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-26 12:43                                             ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 12:43                                               ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 14:20                                               ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-26 14:20                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-27 14:00                                                 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-27 14:00                                                   ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-21  9:03                                   ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure Johannes Weiner
2010-04-21  9:03                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-21 13:20                                   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-21 13:20                                     ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-20 14:40                           ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-20 14:40                             ` Rik van Riel
2010-03-24  2:38                   ` Greg KH
2010-03-24  2:38                     ` Greg KH
2010-03-24 11:49                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-24 11:49                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-24 13:13                   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-03-24 13:13                     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-03-12  9:09   ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-12  9:09     ` Mel Gorman

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