From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC/T/D][PATCH 2/2] Linux/Guest cooperative unmapped page cache control
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:16:32 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100611044632.GD5191@balbir.in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100611105441.ee657515.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
* KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> [2010-06-11 10:54:41]:
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:07:32 -0700
> Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 19:55 +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
> > > > I'm not sure victimizing unmapped cache pages is a good idea.
> > > > Shouldn't page selection use the LRU for recency information instead
> > > > of the cost of guest reclaim? Dropping a frequently used unmapped
> > > > cache page can be more expensive than dropping an unused text page
> > > > that was loaded as part of some executable's initialization and
> > > > forgotten.
> > >
> > > We victimize the unmapped cache only if it is unused (in LRU order).
> > > We don't force the issue too much. We also have free slab cache to go
> > > after.
> >
> > Just to be clear, let's say we have a mapped page (say of /sbin/init)
> > that's been unreferenced since _just_ after the system booted. We also
> > have an unmapped page cache page of a file often used at runtime, say
> > one from /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/passwd.
> >
>
> Hmm. I'm not fan of estimating working set size by calculation
> based on some numbers without considering history or feedback.
>
> Can't we use some kind of feedback algorithm as hi-low-watermark, random walk
> or GA (or somehing more smart) to detect the size ?
>
Could you please clarify at what level you are suggesting size
detection? I assume it is outside the OS, right?
--
Three Cheers,
Balbir
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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC/T/D][PATCH 2/2] Linux/Guest cooperative unmapped page cache control
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:16:32 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100611044632.GD5191@balbir.in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100611105441.ee657515.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
* KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> [2010-06-11 10:54:41]:
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:07:32 -0700
> Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 19:55 +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
> > > > I'm not sure victimizing unmapped cache pages is a good idea.
> > > > Shouldn't page selection use the LRU for recency information instead
> > > > of the cost of guest reclaim? Dropping a frequently used unmapped
> > > > cache page can be more expensive than dropping an unused text page
> > > > that was loaded as part of some executable's initialization and
> > > > forgotten.
> > >
> > > We victimize the unmapped cache only if it is unused (in LRU order).
> > > We don't force the issue too much. We also have free slab cache to go
> > > after.
> >
> > Just to be clear, let's say we have a mapped page (say of /sbin/init)
> > that's been unreferenced since _just_ after the system booted. We also
> > have an unmapped page cache page of a file often used at runtime, say
> > one from /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/passwd.
> >
>
> Hmm. I'm not fan of estimating working set size by calculation
> based on some numbers without considering history or feedback.
>
> Can't we use some kind of feedback algorithm as hi-low-watermark, random walk
> or GA (or somehing more smart) to detect the size ?
>
Could you please clarify at what level you are suggesting size
detection? I assume it is outside the OS, right?
--
Three Cheers,
Balbir
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Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-06-08 15:51 [RFC/T/D][PATCH 0/2] KVM page cache optimization (v2) Balbir Singh
2010-06-08 15:51 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-08 15:51 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] Linux/Guest unmapped page cache control Balbir Singh
2010-06-08 15:51 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-13 18:31 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-13 18:31 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 0:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14 0:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14 6:49 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 6:49 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 7:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14 7:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14 7:36 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 7:36 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 7:49 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14 7:49 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-08 15:51 ` [RFC/T/D][PATCH 2/2] Linux/Guest cooperative " Balbir Singh
2010-06-08 15:51 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-10 9:43 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-10 9:43 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-10 14:25 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-10 14:25 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11 0:07 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-11 0:07 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-11 1:54 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11 1:54 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11 4:46 ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2010-06-11 4:46 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11 5:05 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11 5:05 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11 5:08 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11 5:08 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11 6:14 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11 6:14 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11 4:56 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11 4:56 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 8:09 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 8:09 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 8:48 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 8:48 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 12:40 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 12:40 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 12:50 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 12:50 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 13:01 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 13:01 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 15:33 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 15:33 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 15:44 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 15:44 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 15:55 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 15:55 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 16:34 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 16:34 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 17:45 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 17:45 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 6:58 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 6:58 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 7:49 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 7:49 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 9:44 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 9:44 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 10:18 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 10:18 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 17:58 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 17:58 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-15 7:07 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 7:07 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 14:47 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-15 14:47 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-16 11:39 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-16 11:39 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-17 6:04 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-17 6:04 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 15:12 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 15:12 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 15:34 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 15:34 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 17:40 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 17:40 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 7:11 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 7:11 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 16:58 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 16:58 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 17:09 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 17:09 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 17:16 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 17:16 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 7:12 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 7:12 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 7:52 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 7:52 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 9:54 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 9:54 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 12:49 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 12:49 ` Balbir Singh
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