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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC/T/D][PATCH 2/2] Linux/Guest cooperative unmapped page cache control
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:34:28 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100617060428.GH4306@balbir.in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C18B7D6.5070300@redhat.com>

* Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> [2010-06-16 14:39:02]:

> >We're talking about an environment which we're always trying to
> >optimize.  Imagine that we're always trying to consolidate guests on to
> >smaller numbers of hosts.  We're effectively in a state where we
> >_always_ want new guests.
> 
> If this came at no cost to the guests, you'd be right.  But at some
> point guest performance will be hit by this, so the advantage gained
> from freeing memory will be balanced by the disadvantage.
> 
> Also, memory is not the only resource.  At some point you become cpu
> bound; at that point freeing memory doesn't help and in fact may
> increase your cpu load.
>

We'll probably need control over other resources as well, but IMHO
memory is the most precious because it is non-renewable. 

-- 
	Three Cheers,
	Balbir

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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC/T/D][PATCH 2/2] Linux/Guest cooperative unmapped page cache control
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:34:28 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100617060428.GH4306@balbir.in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C18B7D6.5070300@redhat.com>

* Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> [2010-06-16 14:39:02]:

> >We're talking about an environment which we're always trying to
> >optimize.  Imagine that we're always trying to consolidate guests on to
> >smaller numbers of hosts.  We're effectively in a state where we
> >_always_ want new guests.
> 
> If this came at no cost to the guests, you'd be right.  But at some
> point guest performance will be hit by this, so the advantage gained
> from freeing memory will be balanced by the disadvantage.
> 
> Also, memory is not the only resource.  At some point you become cpu
> bound; at that point freeing memory doesn't help and in fact may
> increase your cpu load.
>

We'll probably need control over other resources as well, but IMHO
memory is the most precious because it is non-renewable. 

-- 
	Three Cheers,
	Balbir

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-17  6:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-08 15:51 [RFC/T/D][PATCH 0/2] KVM page cache optimization (v2) Balbir Singh
2010-06-08 15:51 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-08 15:51 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] Linux/Guest unmapped page cache control Balbir Singh
2010-06-08 15:51   ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-13 18:31   ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-13 18:31     ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14  0:28     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14  0:28       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14  6:49       ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14  6:49         ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14  7:00         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14  7:00           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14  7:36           ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14  7:36             ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14  7:49             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14  7:49               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-08 15:51 ` [RFC/T/D][PATCH 2/2] Linux/Guest cooperative " Balbir Singh
2010-06-08 15:51   ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-10  9:43   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-10  9:43     ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-10 14:25     ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-10 14:25       ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11  0:07       ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-11  0:07         ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-11  1:54         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11  1:54           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11  4:46           ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11  4:46             ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11  5:05             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11  5:05               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11  5:08               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11  5:08                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11  6:14               ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11  6:14                 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11  4:56         ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-11  4:56           ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14  8:09           ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14  8:09             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14  8:48             ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14  8:48               ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 12:40               ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 12:40                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 12:50                 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 12:50                   ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 13:01                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 13:01                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 15:33                     ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 15:33                       ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 15:44                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 15:44                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 15:55                         ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 15:55                           ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 16:34                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 16:34                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 17:45                             ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 17:45                               ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15  6:58                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15  6:58                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15  7:49                                 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15  7:49                                   ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15  9:44                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15  9:44                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 10:18                                     ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 10:18                                       ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 17:58                             ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 17:58                               ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-15  7:07                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15  7:07                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 14:47                                 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-15 14:47                                   ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-16 11:39                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-16 11:39                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-17  6:04                                     ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2010-06-17  6:04                                       ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 15:12               ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 15:12                 ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 15:34                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 15:34                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 17:40                   ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 17:40                     ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15  7:11                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15  7:11                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-14 16:58                 ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 16:58                   ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 17:09                   ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 17:09                     ` Dave Hansen
2010-06-14 17:16                     ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-14 17:16                       ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15  7:12                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15  7:12                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15  7:52                         ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15  7:52                           ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15  9:54                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15  9:54                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-15 12:49                             ` Balbir Singh
2010-06-15 12:49                               ` Balbir Singh

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