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From: Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] Efficacy of xts over 1TB
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:45:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100726214516.GB24778@tansi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1280179916.3266.131.camel@fermat.scientia.net>

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:31:56PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 23:07 +0200, Arno Wagner wrote:
> > > So you guess the the 1TB limit could be actually a "don't have blocks
> > > larger than 1TB" limit?!
> > Actually, it is the "plain" implementation that causes a 2TB limit 
> > because of repeating IVs. XTS has a block size limit, at 2^20 bits, 
> > (I think) but it is a recommended limit. As 512 bytes we are well 
> > below that :-)
> So you mean we have two limits?

Yes. One on the block number and one on the block size.
 
> 1) The limit related to the IVs that we get from "plain" after 32bit 512
> byte blocks, or that we would get from plain64 on a Zettabyte device.

That is IV limit, i.e. the limit on the block numbers.

> 2) Another limit, on the maximum block size (which was misconceived as a
> maximum filesystem size) that can be securely used which is that 1TB
> thingy?
> However we should never hit that one too?!

That is the size for the individual blocks encrypted. For
dm-crypt/LUKS we use 512 byte blocks, but XTS can do much larger.
However beyond a certain block size it security is suspected to 
degrade. I looked the limits up again, the hard limit is 
(2^128)-2 x 128 bit blocks. If I understand this correctly 
exceeding this limit breaks the cipher. Then there is the 
soft limit of 2^20 x 128 bit, i.e. 16MB block size. The block
size should be kept below that and 512B is well below it. 

I do not know of any 1TB limit.

Arno
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-26 21:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-26 21:07 [dm-crypt] Efficacy of xts over 1TB Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 21:31 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 21:45   ` Arno Wagner [this message]
2010-07-26 21:42 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 22:55   ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 23:42   ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-27 10:21     ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-15 17:26     ` Uwe Menges
2010-08-15 22:10       ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-16 11:44         ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-08-16 12:39           ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-16 12:55         ` octane indice
2010-08-16 14:21           ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-21 20:45             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-08-21 23:14               ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-22  0:46                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-25 22:25 Ietf Nist
2010-07-25 22:41 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-22 14:57 David Santamaría Rogado
2010-07-25 10:34 ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 11:18   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 12:29     ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-25 12:25   ` Milan Broz
2010-07-25 13:14     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 13:52       ` Milan Broz
2010-07-25 22:37         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26  0:14           ` Milan Broz
2010-07-26 20:38             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26  8:53           ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 20:47             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 21:01               ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 21:28                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 21:35                   ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 22:52         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26  9:42           ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-26 18:09             ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 15:32       ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 22:48         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 23:42           ` Milan Broz
2010-07-26 18:35             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 15:28     ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 18:11       ` Milan Broz
2010-07-26  9:04   ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-27 18:21     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-27 21:02       ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-26  9:17 ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-27 18:42 ` David Santamaría Rogado

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