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From: Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] Efficacy of xts over 1TB
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:21:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100816142139.GA26251@tansi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1281963344.4c69355004f56@www.inmano.com>

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 02:55:44PM +0200, octane indice wrote:
> En r?ponse ? Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name> :
> > Well, if the attacker mirrors your network traffic with iSCSI,
> > encryption does not matter anymore for any change analysis.
> >
> I don't know if it is the right place to ask, but do you have
> any links with this "change analysis" thing ?

Not really. What it does is expose on sector level (xts, EME)
what parts of the filesystem are changed. The idea is that
this can form a distinctice pattern, for example "Netscape
is launching", "An email was received in mbox format" or
"A Skype connection was initiated". In some contexts, this 
type of information leakage can be a risk. 

Typically this is only a risk in a SigInt context, were 
people have long ago given up reading content (because 
it is too much effort with encryption or even infeasible), 
but look at traffic patterns. For example, it seems you can 
pretty clearly see from the pattern whether a military 
attack is imminent.

This is advanced IT Security vodoo and not really relevant
for most users. The one context I can think of were it
becomes relevant is if a specific application intentionally
cause some kind of pattern to either signal it has been
started or to actually leak information. For example
a corrupted encryption program couls signal key-bits
to the world in this fashion. Note that this is not
really relevant for anything that has net access, as there 
bits are far easier to leak or directly send to the attacker.
For most typical usage it is not a relevant threat.

If you have questions, I will be happy to elaborate more.

Arno

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-16 14:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-26 21:07 [dm-crypt] Efficacy of xts over 1TB Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 21:31 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 21:45   ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 21:42 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 22:55   ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 23:42   ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-27 10:21     ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-15 17:26     ` Uwe Menges
2010-08-15 22:10       ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-16 11:44         ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-08-16 12:39           ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-16 12:55         ` octane indice
2010-08-16 14:21           ` Arno Wagner [this message]
2010-08-21 20:45             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-08-21 23:14               ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-22  0:46                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-25 22:25 Ietf Nist
2010-07-25 22:41 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-22 14:57 David Santamaría Rogado
2010-07-25 10:34 ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 11:18   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 12:29     ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-25 12:25   ` Milan Broz
2010-07-25 13:14     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 13:52       ` Milan Broz
2010-07-25 22:37         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26  0:14           ` Milan Broz
2010-07-26 20:38             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26  8:53           ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 20:47             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 21:01               ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 21:28                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 21:35                   ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 22:52         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26  9:42           ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-26 18:09             ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 15:32       ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 22:48         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 23:42           ` Milan Broz
2010-07-26 18:35             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 15:28     ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 18:11       ` Milan Broz
2010-07-26  9:04   ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-27 18:21     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-27 21:02       ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-26  9:17 ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-27 18:42 ` David Santamaría Rogado

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