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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Do not stall in synchronous compaction for THP allocations
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:03:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111114160345.01e94987.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111111100156.GI3083@suse.de>

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:01:56 +0000
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 03:12:11PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:13:31 +0000
> > Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> > 
> > > This patch once again prevents sync migration for transparent
> > > hugepage allocations as it is preferable to fail a THP allocation
> > > than stall.
> > 
> > Who said?  ;)
> 
> Everyone who ever complained about stalls due to writing to USB :)

oh, here it is.  Who broke mesage threading?

> In the last few releases, we have squashed a number of stalls due
> to writing pages from the end of the LRU but sync compaction is a
> relatively recent new root cause of stalls.
> 
> > Presumably some people would prefer to get lots of
> > huge pages for their 1000-hour compute job, and waiting a bit to get
> > those pages is acceptable.
> > 
> 
> A 1000-hour compute job will have its pages collapsed into hugepages by
> khugepaged so they might not have the huge pages at the very beginning
> but they get them. With khugepaged in place, there should be no need for
> an additional tuneable.

OK...

> > Do we have the accounting in place for us to be able to determine how
> > many huge page allocation attempts failed due to this change?
> > 
> 
> thp_fault_fallback is the big one. It is incremented if we fail to
> 	allocate a hugepage during fault in either
> 	do_huge_pmd_anonymous_page or do_huge_pmd_wp_page_fallback
> 
> thp_collapse_alloc_failed is also very interesting. It is incremented
> 	if khugepaged tried to collapse pages into a hugepage and
> 	failed the allocation
> 
> The user has the  option of monitoring their compute jobs hugepage
> usage by reading /proc/PID/smaps and looking at the AnonHugePages
> count for the large mappings of interest.

Fair enough.  One slight problem though:

akpm:/usr/src/25> grep -r thp_collapse_alloc_failed Documentation 
akpm:/usr/src/25> 


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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Do not stall in synchronous compaction for THP allocations
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:03:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111114160345.01e94987.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111111100156.GI3083@suse.de>

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:01:56 +0000
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 03:12:11PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:13:31 +0000
> > Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> > 
> > > This patch once again prevents sync migration for transparent
> > > hugepage allocations as it is preferable to fail a THP allocation
> > > than stall.
> > 
> > Who said?  ;)
> 
> Everyone who ever complained about stalls due to writing to USB :)

oh, here it is.  Who broke mesage threading?

> In the last few releases, we have squashed a number of stalls due
> to writing pages from the end of the LRU but sync compaction is a
> relatively recent new root cause of stalls.
> 
> > Presumably some people would prefer to get lots of
> > huge pages for their 1000-hour compute job, and waiting a bit to get
> > those pages is acceptable.
> > 
> 
> A 1000-hour compute job will have its pages collapsed into hugepages by
> khugepaged so they might not have the huge pages at the very beginning
> but they get them. With khugepaged in place, there should be no need for
> an additional tuneable.

OK...

> > Do we have the accounting in place for us to be able to determine how
> > many huge page allocation attempts failed due to this change?
> > 
> 
> thp_fault_fallback is the big one. It is incremented if we fail to
> 	allocate a hugepage during fault in either
> 	do_huge_pmd_anonymous_page or do_huge_pmd_wp_page_fallback
> 
> thp_collapse_alloc_failed is also very interesting. It is incremented
> 	if khugepaged tried to collapse pages into a hugepage and
> 	failed the allocation
> 
> The user has the  option of monitoring their compute jobs hugepage
> usage by reading /proc/PID/smaps and looking at the AnonHugePages
> count for the large mappings of interest.

Fair enough.  One slight problem though:

akpm:/usr/src/25> grep -r thp_collapse_alloc_failed Documentation 
akpm:/usr/src/25> 

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-15  0:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-10 10:06 [PATCH] mm: Do not stall in synchronous compaction for THP allocations Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 10:06 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 10:38 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 10:38   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 10:51 ` Alan Cox
2011-11-10 10:51   ` Alan Cox
2011-11-10 12:06   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 12:06     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 14:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-10 14:00   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-10 14:22 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 14:22   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 15:12   ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-10 15:12     ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-10 16:13     ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 16:13       ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 16:30       ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-10 16:30         ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-10 16:48         ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 16:48           ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 23:12       ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-10 23:12         ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-10 23:37         ` David Rientjes
2011-11-10 23:37           ` David Rientjes
2011-11-11 10:14           ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 10:14             ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 10:39             ` David Rientjes
2011-11-11 10:39               ` David Rientjes
2011-11-11 11:17               ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 11:17                 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 14:21               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-11 14:21                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-14 23:44             ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-14 23:44               ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-15 13:25               ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 13:25                 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 21:07                 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-15 21:07                   ` David Rientjes
2011-11-15 23:48                   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 23:48                     ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16  0:07                     ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16  0:07                       ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16  4:13                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-16  4:13                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-16 13:30                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-16 13:30                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-16 15:07                           ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16 15:07                             ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-18 17:59                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-18 17:59                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-16 14:14                         ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16 14:14                           ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 10:01         ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 10:01           ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15  0:03           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2011-11-15  0:03             ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-15  2:00             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15  2:00               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15  2:08               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15  2:08                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15 15:01                 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:01                   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:00               ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:00                 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 13:07             ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 13:07               ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:47               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15 15:47                 ` Andrea Arcangeli

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