From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>,
Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Do not stall in synchronous compaction for THP allocations
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:00:47 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111115150047.GG27150@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111115020009.GE4414@redhat.com>
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 03:00:09AM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 04:03:45PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:01:56 +0000
> > Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> > > A 1000-hour compute job will have its pages collapsed into hugepages by
> > > khugepaged so they might not have the huge pages at the very beginning
> > > but they get them. With khugepaged in place, there should be no need for
> > > an additional tuneable.
> >
> > OK...
>
> It's good idea to keep it monitored. But I guess the reduced rate will
> only materialize at temporary VM stress times.
>
> > Fair enough. One slight problem though:
> >
> > akpm:/usr/src/25> grep -r thp_collapse_alloc_failed Documentation
> > akpm:/usr/src/25>
>
> I didn't fill that gap but I was reading the code again and I don't
> see why we keep retrying for -EAGAIN in the !sync case. Maybe the
> below is good (untested). I doubt it's good to spend cpu to retry the
> trylock or to retry the migrate on a pinned page by O_DIRECT.
The retry happens on the expectation that the page is not locked
for very long. Pinning for O_DIRECT would be an exception. Readahead
pages would be another. I don't have data on how often we encounter
a page that is locked for a very short period of time versus being
locked for IO and even if I did, it would be depend on the workload
and the amount of RAM.
> In fact
> as far as THP success rate is concerned maybe we should "goto out"
> instead of "goto fail" but I didn't change to that as compaction even
> if it fails a subpage may still be successful at creating order
> 1/2/3/4...8 pages. I only avoid 9 loops to retry a trylock or a page
> under O_DIRECT. Maybe that will save a bit of CPU, I doubt it can
> decrease the success rate in any significant way. I'll test it at the
> next build...
>
> ====
> From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
> Subject: [PATCH] migrate: !sync don't retry
>
> For !sync it's not worth retrying because we won't lock_page even
> after the second pass.
Except in the cases where the page was locked for a very short
period of time. I think this will have an impact on success rates for
minimal latency savings but I cannot predict how much of an impact.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>,
Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Do not stall in synchronous compaction for THP allocations
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:00:47 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111115150047.GG27150@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111115020009.GE4414@redhat.com>
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 03:00:09AM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 04:03:45PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:01:56 +0000
> > Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> > > A 1000-hour compute job will have its pages collapsed into hugepages by
> > > khugepaged so they might not have the huge pages at the very beginning
> > > but they get them. With khugepaged in place, there should be no need for
> > > an additional tuneable.
> >
> > OK...
>
> It's good idea to keep it monitored. But I guess the reduced rate will
> only materialize at temporary VM stress times.
>
> > Fair enough. One slight problem though:
> >
> > akpm:/usr/src/25> grep -r thp_collapse_alloc_failed Documentation
> > akpm:/usr/src/25>
>
> I didn't fill that gap but I was reading the code again and I don't
> see why we keep retrying for -EAGAIN in the !sync case. Maybe the
> below is good (untested). I doubt it's good to spend cpu to retry the
> trylock or to retry the migrate on a pinned page by O_DIRECT.
The retry happens on the expectation that the page is not locked
for very long. Pinning for O_DIRECT would be an exception. Readahead
pages would be another. I don't have data on how often we encounter
a page that is locked for a very short period of time versus being
locked for IO and even if I did, it would be depend on the workload
and the amount of RAM.
> In fact
> as far as THP success rate is concerned maybe we should "goto out"
> instead of "goto fail" but I didn't change to that as compaction even
> if it fails a subpage may still be successful at creating order
> 1/2/3/4...8 pages. I only avoid 9 loops to retry a trylock or a page
> under O_DIRECT. Maybe that will save a bit of CPU, I doubt it can
> decrease the success rate in any significant way. I'll test it at the
> next build...
>
> ====
> From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
> Subject: [PATCH] migrate: !sync don't retry
>
> For !sync it's not worth retrying because we won't lock_page even
> after the second pass.
Except in the cases where the page was locked for a very short
period of time. I think this will have an impact on success rates for
minimal latency savings but I cannot predict how much of an impact.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-10 10:06 [PATCH] mm: Do not stall in synchronous compaction for THP allocations Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 10:06 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 10:38 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 10:38 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 10:51 ` Alan Cox
2011-11-10 10:51 ` Alan Cox
2011-11-10 12:06 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 12:06 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 14:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-10 14:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-10 14:22 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 14:22 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 15:12 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-10 15:12 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-10 16:13 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 16:13 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 16:30 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-10 16:30 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-10 16:48 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 16:48 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-10 23:12 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-10 23:12 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-10 23:37 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-10 23:37 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-11 10:14 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 10:14 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 10:39 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-11 10:39 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-11 11:17 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 11:17 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 14:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-11 14:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-14 23:44 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-14 23:44 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-15 13:25 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 13:25 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 21:07 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-15 21:07 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-15 23:48 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 23:48 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16 0:07 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16 0:07 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16 4:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-16 4:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-16 13:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-16 13:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-16 15:07 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16 15:07 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-18 17:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-18 17:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-16 14:14 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16 14:14 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 10:01 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-11 10:01 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 0:03 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-15 0:03 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-15 2:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15 2:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15 2:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15 2:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15 15:01 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:01 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:00 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2011-11-15 15:00 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 13:07 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 13:07 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15 15:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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