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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@iki.fi>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	penberg@kernel.org, mpm@selenic.com
Subject: Re: Memory allocator semantics
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 04:14:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140211121426.GQ4250@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1402101304110.17517@nuc>

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 01:07:58PM -0600, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> 
> > So to be completely honest, I don't understand what is the race in (A) that
> > concerns the *memory allocator*.  I also don't what the memory allocator can
> > do in (B) and (C) which look like double-free and use-after-free,
> > respectively, to me. :-)
> 
> Well it seems to be some academic mind game to me.
> 
> Does an invocation of the allocator have barrier semantics or not?

In case (A), I don't see why the allocator should have barrier semantics
from kmalloc() to a matching kfree().  I would argue that any needed
barrier semantics must be provided by the caller.

In contrast, from kfree() to a kmalloc() returning some of the kfree()ed
memory, I believe the kfree()/kmalloc() implementation must do any needed
synchronization and ordering.  But that is a different set of examples,
for example, this one:

	CPU 0			CPU 1
	p->a = 42;		q = kmalloc(...); /* returning p */
	kfree(p);		q->a = 5;
				BUG_ON(q->a != 5);

Unlike the situation with (A), (B), and (C), in this case I believe
that it is kfree()'s and kmalloc()'s responsibility to ensure that
the BUG_ON() never triggers.

Make sense?

							Thanx, Paul

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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@iki.fi>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	penberg@kernel.org, mpm@selenic.com
Subject: Re: Memory allocator semantics
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 04:14:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140211121426.GQ4250@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1402101304110.17517@nuc>

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 01:07:58PM -0600, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> 
> > So to be completely honest, I don't understand what is the race in (A) that
> > concerns the *memory allocator*.  I also don't what the memory allocator can
> > do in (B) and (C) which look like double-free and use-after-free,
> > respectively, to me. :-)
> 
> Well it seems to be some academic mind game to me.
> 
> Does an invocation of the allocator have barrier semantics or not?

In case (A), I don't see why the allocator should have barrier semantics
from kmalloc() to a matching kfree().  I would argue that any needed
barrier semantics must be provided by the caller.

In contrast, from kfree() to a kmalloc() returning some of the kfree()ed
memory, I believe the kfree()/kmalloc() implementation must do any needed
synchronization and ordering.  But that is a different set of examples,
for example, this one:

	CPU 0			CPU 1
	p->a = 42;		q = kmalloc(...); /* returning p */
	kfree(p);		q->a = 5;
				BUG_ON(q->a != 5);

Unlike the situation with (A), (B), and (C), in this case I believe
that it is kfree()'s and kmalloc()'s responsibility to ensure that
the BUG_ON() never triggers.

Make sense?

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-11 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-02 20:33 Memory allocator semantics Paul E. McKenney
2014-01-02 20:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-01-03  3:39 ` Josh Triplett
2014-01-03  3:39   ` Josh Triplett
2014-01-03  5:14   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-01-03  5:14     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-01-03  5:47     ` Josh Triplett
2014-01-03  5:47       ` Josh Triplett
2014-01-03  7:57       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-01-03  7:57         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-01-03  8:42         ` Josh Triplett
2014-01-03  8:42           ` Josh Triplett
2014-02-08 10:27 ` Pekka Enberg
2014-02-08 10:27   ` Pekka Enberg
2014-02-09  2:00   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-09  2:00     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-11  8:50     ` Pekka Enberg
2014-02-11  8:50       ` Pekka Enberg
2014-02-11 12:09       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-11 12:09         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-11 18:43       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-02-11 18:43         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-02-14 17:30         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-14 17:30           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-10 19:07   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-02-10 19:07     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-02-11 12:14     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2014-02-11 12:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-11 13:20       ` Pekka Enberg
2014-02-11 13:20         ` Pekka Enberg
2014-02-11 15:01         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-11 15:01           ` Paul E. McKenney

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