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From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 2/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF XADD instruction
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:58:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151111115851.GE9562@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56431B83.5060500@iogearbox.net>

Hi Daniel,

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:42:11AM +0100, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
> On 11/11/2015 11:24 AM, Will Deacon wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 09:49:48AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> >>On Tuesday 10 November 2015 18:52:45 Z Lim wrote:
> >>>On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Alexei Starovoitov
> >>><alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 04:26:02PM -0800, Shi, Yang wrote:
> >>>>>On 11/10/2015 4:08 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> >>>>>>On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 14:41 -0800, Yang Shi wrote:
> >>>>>>>aarch64 doesn't have native support for XADD instruction, implement it by
> >>>>>>>the below instruction sequence:
> >>>
> >>>aarch64 supports atomic add in ARMv8.1.
> >>>For ARMv8(.0), please consider using LDXR/STXR sequence.
> >>
> >>Is it worth optimizing for the 8.1 case? It would add a bit of complexity
> >>to make the code depend on the CPU feature, but it's certainly doable.
> >
> >What's the atomicity required for? Put another way, what are we racing
> >with (I thought bpf was single-threaded)? Do we need to worry about
> >memory barriers?
> >
> >Apologies if these are stupid questions, but all I could find was
> >samples/bpf/sock_example.c and it didn't help much :(
> 
> The equivalent code more readable in restricted C syntax (that can be
> compiled by llvm) can be found in samples/bpf/sockex1_kern.c. So the
> built-in __sync_fetch_and_add() will be translated into a BPF_XADD
> insn variant.

Yikes, so the memory-model for BPF is based around the deprecated GCC
__sync builtins, that inherit their semantics from ia64? Any reason not
to use the C11-compatible __atomic builtins[1] as a base?

> What you can race against is that an eBPF map can be _shared_ by
> multiple eBPF programs that are attached somewhere in the system, and
> they could all update a particular entry/counter from the map at the
> same time.

Ok, so it does sound like eBPF needs to define/choose a memory-model and
I worry that riding on the back of __sync isn't necessarily the right
thing to do, particularly as its fallen out of favour with the compiler
folks. On weakly-ordered architectures, it's also going to result in
heavy-weight barriers for all atomic operations.

Will

[1] https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/_005f_005fatomic-Builtins.html

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, "Shi, Yang" <yang.shi@linaro.org>,
	linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>, Z Lim <zlim.lnx@gmail.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xi Wang <xi.wang@gmail.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	peterz@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF XADD instruction
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:58:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151111115851.GE9562@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56431B83.5060500@iogearbox.net>

Hi Daniel,

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:42:11AM +0100, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
> On 11/11/2015 11:24 AM, Will Deacon wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 09:49:48AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> >>On Tuesday 10 November 2015 18:52:45 Z Lim wrote:
> >>>On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Alexei Starovoitov
> >>><alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 04:26:02PM -0800, Shi, Yang wrote:
> >>>>>On 11/10/2015 4:08 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> >>>>>>On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 14:41 -0800, Yang Shi wrote:
> >>>>>>>aarch64 doesn't have native support for XADD instruction, implement it by
> >>>>>>>the below instruction sequence:
> >>>
> >>>aarch64 supports atomic add in ARMv8.1.
> >>>For ARMv8(.0), please consider using LDXR/STXR sequence.
> >>
> >>Is it worth optimizing for the 8.1 case? It would add a bit of complexity
> >>to make the code depend on the CPU feature, but it's certainly doable.
> >
> >What's the atomicity required for? Put another way, what are we racing
> >with (I thought bpf was single-threaded)? Do we need to worry about
> >memory barriers?
> >
> >Apologies if these are stupid questions, but all I could find was
> >samples/bpf/sock_example.c and it didn't help much :(
> 
> The equivalent code more readable in restricted C syntax (that can be
> compiled by llvm) can be found in samples/bpf/sockex1_kern.c. So the
> built-in __sync_fetch_and_add() will be translated into a BPF_XADD
> insn variant.

Yikes, so the memory-model for BPF is based around the deprecated GCC
__sync builtins, that inherit their semantics from ia64? Any reason not
to use the C11-compatible __atomic builtins[1] as a base?

> What you can race against is that an eBPF map can be _shared_ by
> multiple eBPF programs that are attached somewhere in the system, and
> they could all update a particular entry/counter from the map at the
> same time.

Ok, so it does sound like eBPF needs to define/choose a memory-model and
I worry that riding on the back of __sync isn't necessarily the right
thing to do, particularly as its fallen out of favour with the compiler
folks. On weakly-ordered architectures, it's also going to result in
heavy-weight barriers for all atomic operations.

Will

[1] https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/_005f_005fatomic-Builtins.html

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-11 11:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-10 22:41 [PATCH 0/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF_ST and BPF_XADD instructions support Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41 ` Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41 ` Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41 ` [PATCH 1/2] arm64: bpf: add 'store immediate' instruction Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41   ` Yang Shi
2015-11-11  2:45   ` Z Lim
2015-11-11  2:45     ` Z Lim
2015-11-11 12:12     ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:12       ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:39       ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:39         ` Will Deacon
2015-11-12 19:33         ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-12 19:33           ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-13  3:45           ` Z Lim
2015-11-13  3:45             ` Z Lim
2015-11-23 19:34             ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-23 19:34               ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-10 22:41 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF XADD instruction Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41   ` Yang Shi
2015-11-11  0:08   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11  0:08     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11  0:26     ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-11  0:26       ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-11  0:42       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11  0:42         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11  2:52         ` Z Lim
2015-11-11  2:52           ` Z Lim
2015-11-11  8:49           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-11  8:49             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-11 10:24             ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 10:24               ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 10:42               ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 10:42                 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 11:58                 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2015-11-11 11:58                   ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:21                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 12:21                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 12:38                     ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:38                       ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:58                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 12:58                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 15:52                         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 15:52                           ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 16:23                           ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 16:23                             ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 17:27                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 17:27                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 17:35                               ` David Miller
2015-11-11 17:35                                 ` David Miller
2015-11-11 17:44                                 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 17:44                                   ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 19:01                                   ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:01                                     ` David Miller
2015-11-11 17:57                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 17:57                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:11                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 18:11                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 18:31                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:31                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:41                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:41                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:44                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:44                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:54                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:54                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 19:55                                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 19:55                                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 22:21                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 22:21                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 23:40                                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 23:40                                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 23:40                                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-12  8:57                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12  8:57                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:50                                       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 18:50                                         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 19:04                                         ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:04                                           ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:23                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 19:23                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 19:41                                           ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 19:41                                             ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 18:46                                     ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 18:46                                       ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 19:01                                     ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:01                                       ` David Miller

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