From: peterz@infradead.org (Peter Zijlstra)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 2/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF XADD instruction
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:58:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151111125807.GP17308@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151111123831.GJ9562@arm.com>
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:38:31PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Hmm, gcc doesn't have an eBPF compiler backend, so this won't work on
> > gcc at all. The eBPF backend in LLVM recognizes the __sync_fetch_and_add()
> > keyword and maps that to a BPF_XADD version (BPF_W or BPF_DW). In the
> > interpreter (__bpf_prog_run()), as Eric mentioned, this maps to atomic_add()
> > and atomic64_add(), respectively. So the struct bpf_insn prog[] you saw
> > from sock_example.c can be regarded as one possible equivalent program
> > section output from the compiler.
>
> Ok, so if I understand you correctly, then __sync_fetch_and_add() has
> different semantics depending on the backend target. That seems counter
> to the LLVM atomics Documentation:
>
> http://llvm.org/docs/Atomics.html
>
> which specifically calls out the __sync_* primitives as being
> sequentially-consistent and requiring barriers on ARM (which isn't the
> case for atomic[64]_add in the kernel).
>
> If we re-use the __sync_* naming scheme in the source language, I don't
> think we can overlay our own semantics in the backend. The
> __sync_fetch_and_add primitive is also expected to return the old value,
> which doesn't appear to be the case for BPF_XADD.
Yikes. That's double fail. Please don't do this.
If you use the __sync stuff (and I agree with Will, you should not) it
really _SHOULD_ be sequentially consistent, which means full barriers
all over the place.
And if you name something XADD (exchange and add, or fetch-add) then it
had better return the previous value.
atomic*_add() does neither.
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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, "Shi, Yang" <yang.shi@linaro.org>,
linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org,
Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>, Z Lim <zlim.lnx@gmail.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Xi Wang <xi.wang@gmail.com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF XADD instruction
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:58:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151111125807.GP17308@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151111123831.GJ9562@arm.com>
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:38:31PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Hmm, gcc doesn't have an eBPF compiler backend, so this won't work on
> > gcc at all. The eBPF backend in LLVM recognizes the __sync_fetch_and_add()
> > keyword and maps that to a BPF_XADD version (BPF_W or BPF_DW). In the
> > interpreter (__bpf_prog_run()), as Eric mentioned, this maps to atomic_add()
> > and atomic64_add(), respectively. So the struct bpf_insn prog[] you saw
> > from sock_example.c can be regarded as one possible equivalent program
> > section output from the compiler.
>
> Ok, so if I understand you correctly, then __sync_fetch_and_add() has
> different semantics depending on the backend target. That seems counter
> to the LLVM atomics Documentation:
>
> http://llvm.org/docs/Atomics.html
>
> which specifically calls out the __sync_* primitives as being
> sequentially-consistent and requiring barriers on ARM (which isn't the
> case for atomic[64]_add in the kernel).
>
> If we re-use the __sync_* naming scheme in the source language, I don't
> think we can overlay our own semantics in the backend. The
> __sync_fetch_and_add primitive is also expected to return the old value,
> which doesn't appear to be the case for BPF_XADD.
Yikes. That's double fail. Please don't do this.
If you use the __sync stuff (and I agree with Will, you should not) it
really _SHOULD_ be sequentially consistent, which means full barriers
all over the place.
And if you name something XADD (exchange and add, or fetch-add) then it
had better return the previous value.
atomic*_add() does neither.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-11-11 12:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-10 22:41 [PATCH 0/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF_ST and BPF_XADD instructions support Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41 ` Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41 ` Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41 ` [PATCH 1/2] arm64: bpf: add 'store immediate' instruction Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41 ` Yang Shi
2015-11-11 2:45 ` Z Lim
2015-11-11 2:45 ` Z Lim
2015-11-11 12:12 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:12 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:39 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:39 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-12 19:33 ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-12 19:33 ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-13 3:45 ` Z Lim
2015-11-13 3:45 ` Z Lim
2015-11-23 19:34 ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-23 19:34 ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-10 22:41 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF XADD instruction Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41 ` Yang Shi
2015-11-11 0:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 0:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 0:26 ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-11 0:26 ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-11 0:42 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 0:42 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 2:52 ` Z Lim
2015-11-11 2:52 ` Z Lim
2015-11-11 8:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-11 8:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-11 10:24 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 10:24 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 10:42 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 10:42 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 11:58 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 11:58 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:21 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 12:21 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 12:38 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:38 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:58 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-11-11 12:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 15:52 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 15:52 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 16:23 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 16:23 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 17:27 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 17:27 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 17:35 ` David Miller
2015-11-11 17:35 ` David Miller
2015-11-11 17:44 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 17:44 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 19:01 ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:01 ` David Miller
2015-11-11 17:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 17:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:11 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 18:11 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 18:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 19:55 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 19:55 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 22:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 22:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 23:40 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 23:40 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 23:40 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-12 8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:50 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 18:50 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 19:04 ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:04 ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 19:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 19:41 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 19:41 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 18:46 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 18:46 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 19:01 ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:01 ` David Miller
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