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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com,
	Ben Warren <ben@skyportsystems.com>,
	qemu-trivial@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-trivial] [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 4/4] qemu-options: Do not show -enable-kvm and -enable-hax in the docs anymore
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:44:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180613134452.GU19901@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180613133840.GK24528@stefanha-x1.localdomain>

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 02:38:40PM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 07:05:21AM +0200, Thomas Huth wrote:
> > We've got three ways of enabling an accelerator: -machine accel=xyz,
> > -accel xyz and -enable-xyz. For new QEMU users, this must be very
> > confusing ("Which one do I have to use? Is there a difference between
> > the options?"). While -enable-kvm was useful in the past, there is no
> > real good reason for using it anymore today ("-accel kvm" is even less
> > to type than "-enable-kvm"), so let's decrease the confusing amount of
> > options in our documenation a little bit by removing the -enable-xyz
> > here. Note that the option itself is neither removed nor marked as
> > deprecated - since -enable-kvm is likely used in a lot of scripts and
> > since its code is easy to maintain, we should keep it around to avoid
> > to break old setups.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  PS: I guess Paolo won't like this patch ... let's try it anyway ;-)
> 
> It's widely used and we're removing the documentation for it?!  That is
> likely to cause issues for new users who refer to the man page to
> understand the QEMU command-lines they see online, in scripts, etc.

Agreed, this is a very bad idea. Any option that is accepted by QEMU,
but not documented is a bug that must be fixed. IOW removing docs
is creating bugs.

If we want to help users understand why we have -enable-kvm, just
make the docs say that it is syntactic for '-machine accel=kvm'.
Users can decide for themselves whether they want to switch to
the more verbose way or not

Regards,
Daniel
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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com,
	Ben Warren <ben@skyportsystems.com>,
	qemu-trivial@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 4/4] qemu-options: Do not show -enable-kvm and -enable-hax in the docs anymore
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:44:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180613134452.GU19901@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180613133840.GK24528@stefanha-x1.localdomain>

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 02:38:40PM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 07:05:21AM +0200, Thomas Huth wrote:
> > We've got three ways of enabling an accelerator: -machine accel=xyz,
> > -accel xyz and -enable-xyz. For new QEMU users, this must be very
> > confusing ("Which one do I have to use? Is there a difference between
> > the options?"). While -enable-kvm was useful in the past, there is no
> > real good reason for using it anymore today ("-accel kvm" is even less
> > to type than "-enable-kvm"), so let's decrease the confusing amount of
> > options in our documenation a little bit by removing the -enable-xyz
> > here. Note that the option itself is neither removed nor marked as
> > deprecated - since -enable-kvm is likely used in a lot of scripts and
> > since its code is easy to maintain, we should keep it around to avoid
> > to break old setups.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  PS: I guess Paolo won't like this patch ... let's try it anyway ;-)
> 
> It's widely used and we're removing the documentation for it?!  That is
> likely to cause issues for new users who refer to the man page to
> understand the QEMU command-lines they see online, in scripts, etc.

Agreed, this is a very bad idea. Any option that is accepted by QEMU,
but not documented is a bug that must be fixed. IOW removing docs
is creating bugs.

If we want to help users understand why we have -enable-kvm, just
make the docs say that it is syntactic for '-machine accel=kvm'.
Users can decide for themselves whether they want to switch to
the more verbose way or not

Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-13 13:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-13  5:05 [Qemu-trivial] [PATCH 0/4] Clean up accelerator options Thomas Huth
2018-06-13  5:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-13  5:05 ` [Qemu-trivial] [PATCH 1/4] Replace '-machine accel=xyz' with '-accel xyz' Thomas Huth
2018-06-13  5:05   ` [Qemu-devel] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 12:20   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Eric Blake
2018-06-13 12:20     ` Eric Blake
2018-06-13 12:48   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 12:48     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 12:53     ` [Qemu-trivial] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 12:53       ` [Qemu-devel] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 13:54       ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 13:54         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 14:12         ` [Qemu-trivial] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 14:12           ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 16:10       ` [Qemu-trivial] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-13 16:10         ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-13 13:38   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 13:38     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13  5:05 ` [Qemu-trivial] [PATCH 2/4] Replace '-enable-kvm' with '-accel kvm' in docs and help texts Thomas Huth
2018-06-13  5:05   ` [Qemu-devel] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 12:51   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 12:51     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 13:38   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 13:38     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13  5:05 ` [Qemu-trivial] [PATCH 3/4] qemu-options: Improve the documentation of '-accel' and '-machine accel=...' Thomas Huth
2018-06-13  5:05   ` [Qemu-devel] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 13:38   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 13:38     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13  5:05 ` [Qemu-trivial] [RFC PATCH 4/4] qemu-options: Do not show -enable-kvm and -enable-hax in the docs anymore Thomas Huth
2018-06-13  5:05   ` [Qemu-devel] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 12:51   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 12:51     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 13:38   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 13:38     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 13:44     ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2018-06-13 13:44       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 15:11       ` [Qemu-trivial] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 15:11         ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 15:19         ` [Qemu-trivial] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 15:19           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 15:44           ` [Qemu-trivial] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 15:44             ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 16:02           ` [Qemu-trivial] " Markus Armbruster
2018-06-13 16:02             ` Markus Armbruster
2018-06-19 15:15             ` [Qemu-trivial] " Cornelia Huck
2018-06-19 15:15               ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-19 16:16               ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-19 16:16                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-22 18:11                 ` [Qemu-trivial] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-22 18:11                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-22 19:19                   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-22 19:19                     ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-22 19:35                     ` [Qemu-trivial] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-22 19:35                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-22 21:22                       ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-22 21:22                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-25  6:50                         ` [Qemu-trivial] " Markus Armbruster
2018-06-25  6:50                           ` Markus Armbruster
2018-06-25 10:28                           ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-25 10:28                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-25 17:30                             ` [Qemu-trivial] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-25 17:30                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-25 18:26                               ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-25 18:26                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-25 19:51                                 ` [Qemu-trivial] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-25 19:51                                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26  5:57                                   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-26  5:57                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-26 12:29                                     ` [Qemu-trivial] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 12:29                                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 13:05                                       ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-26 13:05                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-26 16:06                                         ` [Qemu-trivial] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 16:06                                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 16:10                                           ` [Qemu-trivial] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-26 16:10                                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-27  8:39                                           ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-27  8:39                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-27 14:05                                             ` [Qemu-trivial] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-27 14:05                                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26  4:40                                 ` [Qemu-trivial] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-26  4:40                                   ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-26  7:50                                   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Cornelia Huck
2018-06-26  7:50                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-26 12:56                                     ` [Qemu-trivial] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 12:56                                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 16:43                                       ` [Qemu-trivial] " Markus Armbruster
2018-06-26 16:43                                         ` Markus Armbruster
2018-06-27  8:49                                         ` [Qemu-trivial] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-27  8:49                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 13:39 ` [Qemu-trivial] [PATCH 0/4] Clean up accelerator options Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 13:39   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi

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