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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"sgarzare@redhat.com" <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 03:04:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230417024402-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230417051844.70ba47cc.pasic@linux.ibm.com>

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 05:18:44AM +0200, Halil Pasic wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 13:35:09 +0000
> Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com> wrote:
> 
> > > From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 4:56 AM  
> > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, please leave it as F_CONFIG_DATA, as we're just putting some "data"
> > > there in the end (and F_CONFIG_COOKIE might indeed be confusing for the
> > > ccw case.)  
> > 
> > Since Halil didn't respond for 5+ days + Michel and you propose to continue use CONFIG_DATA and this is rare used field, I will rename 
> > 
> 
> Sorry, this one has fallen through the cracks.

Well this whole patchset is just a cleanup so it's not holding up other
work at least. But I have to say it's difficult to make progress when
someone comes back from outer space after more than a week of silence
while others finished a discussion and reopens it with some new
feedback.

I am not saying don't give feedback but I'm saying please help us
all be more organized, feedback time really should be within a
day or two, in rare cases up to a week.

And I'd like to remind everyone if you are going away you are supposed
to report a leave of absence.

TC's that have meetings just take away voting rights from someone who
does not attend two meetings in a row.  We do it by ballot so this does
not apply, but I think we should set some limits in group's bylaws,
anyway. Ideas on formalizing this? If not we can just have informal
guidelines.  There's of course a flip side to this. Some patches
seemingly go through two versions a day. Keeping up becomes a full time
job. We'd need a guideline for that, too.

I also feel high latency is one of the reasons people are beginning to
ask to split into subcommitees where they won't have to deal with this
kind of thing. Let's try to keep the latency low, please.

> For
> the preceding ones: I do not have a strong opinion. I do
> share Michael's and Connie's assessment regarding a possible
> clash with CCW.
> 
> Let me just note that the feature ain't called, "F_CONFIG_DATA" (i.e.
> with full name VIRTIO_F_CONFIG_DATA) but rather "F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA"
> (i.e. with full name VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA).
> 
> > vqn to union of
> > 
> > vq_index
> > vq_config_data
> 
> In that sense vq_config_data is not good in my opinion, because
> it misses "notif" which is present in both "F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA"
> and "queue_notify_data".
> > 
> > Thanks. Will roll v13.
> >
> 
> I'm about tho have a look how this panned out in v13. I propose
> let us continue the discussion there.
> 
> Regards,
> Halil
>  
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"sgarzare@redhat.com" <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 03:04:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230417024402-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230417051844.70ba47cc.pasic@linux.ibm.com>

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 05:18:44AM +0200, Halil Pasic wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 13:35:09 +0000
> Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com> wrote:
> 
> > > From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 4:56 AM  
> > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, please leave it as F_CONFIG_DATA, as we're just putting some "data"
> > > there in the end (and F_CONFIG_COOKIE might indeed be confusing for the
> > > ccw case.)  
> > 
> > Since Halil didn't respond for 5+ days + Michel and you propose to continue use CONFIG_DATA and this is rare used field, I will rename 
> > 
> 
> Sorry, this one has fallen through the cracks.

Well this whole patchset is just a cleanup so it's not holding up other
work at least. But I have to say it's difficult to make progress when
someone comes back from outer space after more than a week of silence
while others finished a discussion and reopens it with some new
feedback.

I am not saying don't give feedback but I'm saying please help us
all be more organized, feedback time really should be within a
day or two, in rare cases up to a week.

And I'd like to remind everyone if you are going away you are supposed
to report a leave of absence.

TC's that have meetings just take away voting rights from someone who
does not attend two meetings in a row.  We do it by ballot so this does
not apply, but I think we should set some limits in group's bylaws,
anyway. Ideas on formalizing this? If not we can just have informal
guidelines.  There's of course a flip side to this. Some patches
seemingly go through two versions a day. Keeping up becomes a full time
job. We'd need a guideline for that, too.

I also feel high latency is one of the reasons people are beginning to
ask to split into subcommitees where they won't have to deal with this
kind of thing. Let's try to keep the latency low, please.

> For
> the preceding ones: I do not have a strong opinion. I do
> share Michael's and Connie's assessment regarding a possible
> clash with CCW.
> 
> Let me just note that the feature ain't called, "F_CONFIG_DATA" (i.e.
> with full name VIRTIO_F_CONFIG_DATA) but rather "F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA"
> (i.e. with full name VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA).
> 
> > vqn to union of
> > 
> > vq_index
> > vq_config_data
> 
> In that sense vq_config_data is not good in my opinion, because
> it misses "notif" which is present in both "F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA"
> and "queue_notify_data".
> > 
> > Thanks. Will roll v13.
> >
> 
> I'm about tho have a look how this panned out in v13. I propose
> let us continue the discussion there.
> 
> Regards,
> Halil
>  
> > This publicly archived list offers a means to provide input to the
> > OASIS Virtual I/O Device (VIRTIO) TC.
> > 
> > In order to verify user consent to the Feedback License terms and
> > to minimize spam in the list archive, subscription is required
> > before posting.
> > 
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-17  7:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-05  1:06 [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 00/10] Rename queue number to queue index Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 01/10] content: Add vq index text Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  5:26   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  5:26     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05 13:00     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05 13:00       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  9:18   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  9:18     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05 13:03     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05 13:03       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 11:30       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-07 11:30         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-07 15:34         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 15:34           ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 15:54           ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-07 15:54             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 02/10] content.tex Replace virtqueue number with index Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  9:46   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2023-04-05  9:46     ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  5:22   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  5:22     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05 13:20     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05 13:20       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 13:25       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 13:25         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  5:30   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  5:30     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  9:57     ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2023-04-05  9:57       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2023-04-05 13:21     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05 13:21       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05 15:27       ` [virtio-comment] " Halil Pasic
2023-04-05 15:27         ` Halil Pasic
2023-04-05 15:58         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05 15:58           ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 11:43           ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-07 11:43             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  8:56             ` Cornelia Huck
2023-04-11  8:56               ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2023-04-11 13:35               ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 13:35                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-17  3:18                 ` Halil Pasic
2023-04-17  3:18                   ` [virtio-dev] " Halil Pasic
2023-04-17  7:04                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-04-17  7:04                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17  8:47                     ` [virtio-comment] Participation (was: Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names) Cornelia Huck
2023-04-17  8:47                       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2023-04-17 11:45                       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17 11:45                         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17 16:13                     ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names Halil Pasic
2023-04-17 16:13                       ` Halil Pasic
2023-04-07 11:44       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-07 11:44         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 04/10] transport-pci: Avoid first vq index reference Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 05/10] transport-mmio: Rename QueueNum register Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 06/10] transport-mmio: Avoid referring to zero based index Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 07/10] transport-ccw: Rename queue depth/size to other transports Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 08/10] transport-ccw: Refer to the vq by its index Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 09/10] virtio-net: Avoid duplicate receive queue example Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v12 10/10] virtio-net: Describe RSS using rss rq id Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  1:06   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  9:17   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  9:17     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05 13:02     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05 13:02       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 11:32       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-07 11:32         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  5:32 ` [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v12 00/10] Rename queue number to queue index Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  5:32   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05 13:11   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05 13:11     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  9:20 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05  9:20   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05 13:05   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05 13:05     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit

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