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From: Pablo Neira <pablo@eurodev.net>
To: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Cc: Harald Welte <laforge@netfilter.org>,
	Netfilter Development Mailinglist
	<netfilter-devel@lists.netfilter.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] ctnetlink updates
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:08:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4254258E.5000204@eurodev.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42502F8D.5030504@trash.net>

Patrick McHardy wrote:
> Pablo Neira wrote:
>> There are some issues I'd like to discuss:
>>
>> o Declaring ID as unsigned int. I think it's just fine.
>>
>>     - A conntrack must be identified with one of the tuples (original 
>> or reply) and its id. That way it can be uniquely identified.
> 
> Good idea, although I'm not completely convinced.

Now I've changed my mind :).

I think that we can identify a connection with both the original and 
reply tuple. Since a connection is represented by means of a conntrack, 
if a user kills a conntrack via ctnetlink, he's willing to kill the 
connection that the conntrack represents, and not to such conntrack itself.

There aren't two conntracks with the same original and reply tuples. I 
can't see anymore why we need such id.

>>     - Using u_int64_t just reduces the possibility of the wrapping 
>> around but such possible problem is still there.
> 
> 
> The time until a wrap is many many years even if you assume very
> high connection rate and many CPUs, so its not a practical problem.
> The difference to your solution is that you can tell for sure that
> clashes won't occur until a date under known conditions. I dislike
> the idea of an unreliable API that has no possibilty of even noticing
> and/or handling the error, so I'm not sure about this.

Yes, you are right this is not a practical problem. Well, if we keep 
using the id, we could detect a wrap and adjust all sequence numbers. Of 
course that this is a expensive operation but it would happen once in a 
blue moon :).

--
Pablo

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-06 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-27 23:55 [RFC] [PATCH] ctnetlink updates Pablo Neira
2005-04-01  6:59 ` Harald Welte
2005-04-03 18:01 ` Patrick McHardy
2005-04-06 18:08   ` Pablo Neira [this message]
2005-04-17 15:07     ` Patrick McHardy
2005-04-29  7:14       ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2005-04-29  8:02         ` Harald Welte
2005-05-04  9:18           ` [RFC] alternative to conntrack ID Amin Azez
2005-05-04  9:32             ` Patrick Schaaf
2005-05-04 11:30             ` Patrick McHardy
2005-05-04 12:01               ` Amin Azez
2005-05-06 15:16                 ` Patrick McHardy
2005-05-07 20:36                   ` Marcus Sundberg
2005-05-07 22:18                     ` Patrick McHardy
2005-05-07 22:32                       ` Marcus Sundberg
2005-05-09 14:17                         ` KOVACS Krisztian
2005-05-09 15:08                           ` Amin Azez
2005-05-10  6:49                             ` Harald Welte
2005-05-17 16:12                           ` Amin Azez
2005-05-17 20:17                             ` Patrick McHardy
2005-05-18  7:24                               ` Amin Azez
2005-05-18  9:30                               ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2005-06-04 23:52                                 ` Pablo Neira
2005-06-05  1:02                                   ` Pablo Neira
2005-06-06  8:48                                     ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2005-06-09 12:52                                       ` Pablo Neira
2005-06-09 13:00                                         ` Pablo Neira
2005-06-09 13:34                                           ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2005-06-10 10:21                                             ` Pablo Neira
2005-06-13  7:41                                               ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2005-06-14  2:30                                                 ` Pablo Neira
2005-06-14  2:42                                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2005-06-15  2:41                                                     ` Pablo Neira
2005-06-20 16:04                                                     ` Amin Azez
2005-06-20 16:12                                                       ` Patrick McHardy
2005-06-22  9:09                                                         ` Amin Azez
2005-06-22  9:30                                                           ` Oscar Mechanic
2005-06-22 17:23                                                           ` Patrick McHardy
2005-07-11  5:41                                                             ` Harald Welte
2005-07-11  7:47                                                               ` Patrick McHardy
2005-07-11  9:50                                                                 ` Pablo Neira
2005-06-06  8:17                                   ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2005-05-18  6:45                             ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2005-05-18  7:08                               ` Amin Azez
2005-05-18  7:17                                 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2005-05-11  8:43                         ` Amin Azez
2005-05-01 23:49         ` [RFC] [PATCH] ctnetlink updates Pablo Neira
2005-05-02 10:47           ` Harald Welte

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