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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 2/7
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:01:27 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <431A4767.4030403@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1125768697.14987.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Alan Cox wrote:
> On Sad, 2005-09-03 at 11:40 +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
>>We'll see how things go. I'm fairly sure that for my usage it will
>>be a win even if it is costly. It is replacing an atomic_inc_return,
>>and a read_lock/read_unlock pair.
> 
> 
> Make sure you bench both AMD and Intel - I'd expect it to be a big loss
> on AMD because the AMD stuff will perform atomic locked operations very
> efficiently if they are already exclusive on this CPU or a prefetch_w()
> on them was done 200+ clocks before.
> 

I will try to get numbers for both.

I would be surprised if it was a big loss... but I'm assuming
a locked cmpxchg isn't outlandishly expensive. Basically:

   read_lock_irqsave(cacheline1);
   atomic_inc_return(cacheline2);
   read_unlock_irqrestore(cacheline1);

Turns into

   atomic_cmpxchg();

I'll do some microbenchmarks and get back to you. I'm quite
interested now ;) What sort of AMDs did you have in mind,
Opterons?

Thanks,
Nick

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SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 2/7
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:01:27 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <431A4767.4030403@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1125768697.14987.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Alan Cox wrote:
> On Sad, 2005-09-03 at 11:40 +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
>>We'll see how things go. I'm fairly sure that for my usage it will
>>be a win even if it is costly. It is replacing an atomic_inc_return,
>>and a read_lock/read_unlock pair.
> 
> 
> Make sure you bench both AMD and Intel - I'd expect it to be a big loss
> on AMD because the AMD stuff will perform atomic locked operations very
> efficiently if they are already exclusive on this CPU or a prefetch_w()
> on them was done 200+ clocks before.
> 

I will try to get numbers for both.

I would be surprised if it was a big loss... but I'm assuming
a locked cmpxchg isn't outlandishly expensive. Basically:

   read_lock_irqsave(cacheline1);
   atomic_inc_return(cacheline2);
   read_unlock_irqrestore(cacheline1);

Turns into

   atomic_cmpxchg();

I'll do some microbenchmarks and get back to you. I'm quite
interested now ;) What sort of AMDs did you have in mind,
Opterons?

Thanks,
Nick

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-04  1:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-02  6:25 New lockless pagecache Nick Piggin
2005-09-02  6:25 ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-02  6:28 ` [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 1/7 Nick Piggin
2005-09-02  6:29   ` [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 2/7 Nick Piggin
2005-09-02  6:30     ` [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 3/7 Nick Piggin
2005-09-02  6:30       ` [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 4/7 Nick Piggin
2005-09-02  6:31         ` [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 5/7 Nick Piggin
2005-09-02  6:32           ` [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 6/7 Nick Piggin
2005-09-02  6:32             ` [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 7/7 Nick Piggin
2005-09-09 13:00               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-09-09 13:00                 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-09-09 15:23                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-09 15:23                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-09  5:36           ` [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 5/7 Christoph Lameter
2005-09-09  5:36             ` Christoph Lameter
2005-09-09  6:22             ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-09  6:22               ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 13:08     ` [PATCH 2.6.13] lockless pagecache 2/7 Alan Cox
2005-09-02 13:08       ` Alan Cox
2005-09-02 20:41       ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-02 20:41         ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-02 21:12         ` David S. Miller
2005-09-02 21:12           ` David S. Miller, Andi Kleen
2005-09-02 21:43           ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 21:43             ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 21:22         ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 21:22           ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 21:31           ` David S. Miller
2005-09-02 21:31             ` David S. Miller, Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 21:47             ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 21:47               ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 21:57               ` David S. Miller
2005-09-02 21:57                 ` David S. Miller, Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 23:57           ` Alan Cox
2005-09-02 23:57             ` Alan Cox
2005-09-03  1:40             ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-03  1:40               ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-03 17:31               ` Alan Cox
2005-09-03 17:31                 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-04  1:01                 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2005-09-04  1:01                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-04  8:20                   ` Alan Cox
2005-09-04  8:20                     ` Alan Cox
2005-09-06  1:03                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-06  1:03                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 18:26     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-09-02 18:26       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-09-02 21:26       ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-02 21:26         ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-03  1:33         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-09-03  1:33           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-09-02  6:45 ` New lockless pagecache Nick Piggin
2005-09-02  6:45   ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-15 19:50   ` Alok kataria
2005-09-16  3:12     ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-16  3:12       ` Nick Piggin

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