From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
Cc: Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
rusty@rustcorp.com.au, --cc@redhat.com, mingo@elte.hu,
avi@quramnet.com, kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Glauber de Oliveira Costa <glauber@t60.localdomain>,
Dan Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Garrett Smith <garrett@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:45:10 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47266276.4030000@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1193697734.9793.86.camel@bodhitayantram.eng.vmware.com>
Zachary Amsden wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 20:10 -0300, Glauber de Oliveira Costa wrote:
>
>> From: Glauber de Oliveira Costa <glauber@t60.localdomain>
>>
>> tsc is very good time source (when it does not have drifts, does not
>> change it's frequency, i.e. when it works), so it should have its rating
>> raised to a value greater than, or equal 400.
>>
>> Since it's being a tendency among paravirt clocksources to use values
>> around 400, we should declare tsc as even better: So we use 500.
>>
>
> Why is the TSC better than a paravirt clocksource? In our case this is
> definitely inaccurate. Paravirt clocksources should be preferred to
> TSC, and both must be made available in hardware for platforms which do
> not support paravirt.
>
> Also, please cc all the paravirt developers on things related to
> paravirt, especially things with such broad effect. I think 400 is a
> good value for a perfect native clocksource. >400 should be reserved
> for super-real (i.e. paravirt) sources that should always be chosen over
> a hardware realistic implementation in a virtual environment.
>
Yes, agreed. The tsc is never the right thing to use if there's a
paravirt clocksource available.
What's wrong with rating it 300? What inferior clocksource does it lose
out to? Shouldn't that clocksource be lowered? (Why don't we just use
1 to 10?)
J
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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: avi-i/T1Zxg06OZWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
Dan Hecht <dhecht-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Glauber de Oliveira Costa
<gcosta-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Glauber de Oliveira Costa
<glauber-aMxvdZfKFXomYvmMESoHnA@public.gmane.org>,
--cc-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
Garrett Smith <garrett-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:45:10 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47266276.4030000@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1193697734.9793.86.camel-cxY/u30q8FloTgUnLF1by8fTvwmfpRNyZeezCHUQhQ4@public.gmane.org>
Zachary Amsden wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 20:10 -0300, Glauber de Oliveira Costa wrote:
>
>> From: Glauber de Oliveira Costa <glauber-aMxvdZfKFXomYvmMESoHnA@public.gmane.org>
>>
>> tsc is very good time source (when it does not have drifts, does not
>> change it's frequency, i.e. when it works), so it should have its rating
>> raised to a value greater than, or equal 400.
>>
>> Since it's being a tendency among paravirt clocksources to use values
>> around 400, we should declare tsc as even better: So we use 500.
>>
>
> Why is the TSC better than a paravirt clocksource? In our case this is
> definitely inaccurate. Paravirt clocksources should be preferred to
> TSC, and both must be made available in hardware for platforms which do
> not support paravirt.
>
> Also, please cc all the paravirt developers on things related to
> paravirt, especially things with such broad effect. I think 400 is a
> good value for a perfect native clocksource. >400 should be reserved
> for super-real (i.e. paravirt) sources that should always be chosen over
> a hardware realistic implementation in a virtual environment.
>
Yes, agreed. The tsc is never the right thing to use if there's a
paravirt clocksource available.
What's wrong with rating it 300? What inferior clocksource does it lose
out to? Shouldn't that clocksource be lowered? (Why don't we just use
1 to 10?)
J
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-29 22:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-29 23:10 [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-29 23:10 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-29 22:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-10-29 22:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-10-29 22:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 1:26 ` john stultz
2007-10-30 2:39 ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 2:39 ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 7:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 7:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 10:52 ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 10:52 ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 12:13 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 12:13 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-29 22:42 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 22:42 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 22:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-10-29 22:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 22:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 23:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 23:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:33 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 23:33 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-30 0:45 ` Ian Pratt
2007-10-30 0:45 ` Ian Pratt
2007-10-30 7:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 7:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 22:55 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 22:55 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 23:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:13 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 23:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 12:02 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 12:02 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 17:58 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-30 17:58 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 23:24 ` Dan Hecht
2007-10-29 23:24 ` Dan Hecht
2007-10-30 4:24 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-10-30 4:24 ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-30 7:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 7:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 11:59 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 11:59 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 0:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-10-30 0:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
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