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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, --cc@redhat.com, avi@quramnet.com,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa <glauber@t60.localdomain>,
	Dan Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Garrett Smith <garrett@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:52:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47266431.1010500@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071029224852.GA27547@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 20:10 -0300, Glauber de Oliveira Costa wrote:
>>     
>>> From: Glauber de Oliveira Costa <glauber@t60.localdomain>
>>>
>>> tsc is very good time source (when it does not have drifts, does not
>>> change it's frequency, i.e. when it works), so it should have its rating
>>> raised to a value greater than, or equal 400.
>>>
>>> Since it's being a tendency among paravirt clocksources to use values
>>> around 400, we should declare tsc as even better: So we use 500.
>>>       
>> Why is the TSC better than a paravirt clocksource?  In our case this 
>> is definitely inaccurate.  Paravirt clocksources should be preferred 
>> to TSC, and both must be made available in hardware for platforms 
>> which do not support paravirt.
>>     
>
> if it's inaccurate why are you exposing it to the guest then? Native 
> only uses the TSC if it's safe and accurate to do so.
>   

It is used as part of the Xen clocksource as a short term extrapolator,
with correction parameters supplied by the hypervisor.  It should never
be used directly.

    J

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Zachary Amsden <zach-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	avi-i/T1Zxg06OZWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
	kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Dan Hecht <dhecht-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa
	<gcosta-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa
	<glauber-aMxvdZfKFXomYvmMESoHnA@public.gmane.org>,
	--cc-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	Garrett Smith <garrett-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:52:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47266431.1010500@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071029224852.GA27547-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Zachary Amsden <zach-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 20:10 -0300, Glauber de Oliveira Costa wrote:
>>     
>>> From: Glauber de Oliveira Costa <glauber-aMxvdZfKFXomYvmMESoHnA@public.gmane.org>
>>>
>>> tsc is very good time source (when it does not have drifts, does not
>>> change it's frequency, i.e. when it works), so it should have its rating
>>> raised to a value greater than, or equal 400.
>>>
>>> Since it's being a tendency among paravirt clocksources to use values
>>> around 400, we should declare tsc as even better: So we use 500.
>>>       
>> Why is the TSC better than a paravirt clocksource?  In our case this 
>> is definitely inaccurate.  Paravirt clocksources should be preferred 
>> to TSC, and both must be made available in hardware for platforms 
>> which do not support paravirt.
>>     
>
> if it's inaccurate why are you exposing it to the guest then? Native 
> only uses the TSC if it's safe and accurate to do so.
>   

It is used as part of the Xen clocksource as a short term extrapolator,
with correction parameters supplied by the hypervisor.  It should never
be used directly.

    J

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-29 22:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-29 23:10 [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-29 23:10 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-29 22:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-10-29 22:17   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-10-29 22:36   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30  1:26   ` john stultz
2007-10-30  2:39   ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30  2:39     ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30  7:37     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30  7:37       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 10:52       ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 10:52         ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 12:13       ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 12:13         ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-29 22:42 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 22:42   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 22:45   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:45     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 22:52     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-10-29 22:52       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:55       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:17         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 23:17           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 23:21           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:21             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:33             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 23:33               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-30  0:45             ` Ian Pratt
2007-10-30  0:45               ` Ian Pratt
2007-10-30  7:19               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30  7:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 22:55     ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 22:55       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 23:02       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:13         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 23:17           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:17             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 12:02           ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 12:02             ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 17:58             ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-30 17:58               ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 23:24         ` Dan Hecht
2007-10-29 23:24           ` Dan Hecht
2007-10-30  4:24           ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-10-30  4:24             ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-30  7:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30  7:14             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 11:59       ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 11:59         ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30  0:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-10-30  0:17   ` H. Peter Anvin

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