From: Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta@redhat.com>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
rusty@rustcorp.com.au, jeremy@goop.org, --cc@redhat.com,
avi@quramnet.com, kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Glauber de Oliveira Costa <glauber@t60.localdomain>,
Dan Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Garrett Smith <garrett@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:02:18 -0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47271D4A.8030707@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1193699638.9793.97.camel@bodhitayantram.eng.vmware.com>
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Zachary Amsden escreveu:
> On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 00:02 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>> * Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com> wrote:
>
>>> Not every guest support paravirt, but for correctness, all guests
>>> require TSC, which must be exposed all the way up to userspace, no
>>> matter what the efficiency or accuracy may be.
>> but if there's a perfect TSC available (there is such hardware) then the
>> TSC _is_ the best clocksource. Paravirt now turns it off unconditionally
>> in essence.
>
> No, if no paravirt clocksource is detected, nothing can override the
> perfect TSC hardware clocksource rating of 400. And if a paravirt
> clocksource is detected, it is always better than TSC.
Why always? tsc is the best possible alternative the _platform_ can
provide. So the paravirt clocksource will be at best, as good as tsc.
And if it is the case: why bother with communication mechanisms of all
kinds, calculations, etc, if we can just read the tsc?
Noting again: If the tsc does not arrive accurate to the guest, it will
fail the tsc clocksource tests. So it will be rated zero anyway
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From: Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: jeremy-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org,
avi-i/T1Zxg06OZWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
Dan Hecht <dhecht-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Glauber de Oliveira Costa
<glauber-aMxvdZfKFXomYvmMESoHnA@public.gmane.org>,
--cc-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
Garrett Smith <garrett-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:02:18 -0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47271D4A.8030707@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1193699638.9793.97.camel-cxY/u30q8FloTgUnLF1by8fTvwmfpRNyZeezCHUQhQ4@public.gmane.org>
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Zachary Amsden escreveu:
> On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 00:02 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>> * Zachary Amsden <zach-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>>> Not every guest support paravirt, but for correctness, all guests
>>> require TSC, which must be exposed all the way up to userspace, no
>>> matter what the efficiency or accuracy may be.
>> but if there's a perfect TSC available (there is such hardware) then the
>> TSC _is_ the best clocksource. Paravirt now turns it off unconditionally
>> in essence.
>
> No, if no paravirt clocksource is detected, nothing can override the
> perfect TSC hardware clocksource rating of 400. And if a paravirt
> clocksource is detected, it is always better than TSC.
Why always? tsc is the best possible alternative the _platform_ can
provide. So the paravirt clocksource will be at best, as good as tsc.
And if it is the case: why bother with communication mechanisms of all
kinds, calculations, etc, if we can just read the tsc?
Noting again: If the tsc does not arrive accurate to the guest, it will
fail the tsc clocksource tests. So it will be rated zero anyway
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-30 12:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-29 23:10 [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-29 23:10 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-29 22:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-10-29 22:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-10-29 22:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 1:26 ` john stultz
2007-10-30 2:39 ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 2:39 ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 7:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 7:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 10:52 ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 10:52 ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 12:13 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 12:13 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-29 22:42 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 22:42 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 22:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 22:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 23:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 23:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:33 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 23:33 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-30 0:45 ` Ian Pratt
2007-10-30 0:45 ` Ian Pratt
2007-10-30 7:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 7:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 22:55 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 22:55 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 23:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:13 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 23:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 12:02 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa [this message]
2007-10-30 12:02 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 17:58 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-30 17:58 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 23:24 ` Dan Hecht
2007-10-29 23:24 ` Dan Hecht
2007-10-30 4:24 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-10-30 4:24 ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-30 7:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 7:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 11:59 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 11:59 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30 0:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-10-30 0:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
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