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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: "David S. Ahern" <daahern@cisco.com>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Anyone seeing huge slowdown launching qemu with Linux 2.6.35?
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:57:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C597FCD.8070703@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C597E6D.1040609@cisco.com>

On 08/04/2010 09:51 AM, David S. Ahern wrote:
>
> On 08/03/10 12:43, Avi Kivity wrote:
>    
>> libguestfs does not depend on an x86 architectural feature.
>> qemu-system-x86_64 emulates a PC, and PCs don't have -kernel.  We should
>> discourage people from depending on this interface for production use.
>>      
> That is a feature of qemu - and an important one to me as well. Why
> should it be discouraged? You end up at the same place -- a running
> kernel and in-ram filesystem; why require going through a bootloader
> just because the hardware case needs it?
>    

It's smoke and mirrors.  We're still providing a boot loader it's just a 
little tiny one that we've written soley for this purpose.

And it works fine for production use.  The question is whether we ought 
to be aggressively optimizing it for large initrd sizes.  To be honest, 
after a lot of discussion of possibilities, I've come to the conclusion 
that it's just not worth it.

There are better ways like using string I/O and optimizing the PIO path 
in the kernel.  That should cut down the 1s slow down with a 100MB 
initrd by a bit.  But honestly, shaving a couple hundred ms further off 
the initrd load is just not worth it using the current model.

If this is important to someone, we ought to look at refactoring the 
loader completely to be disk based which is a higher performance interface.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> David
>    


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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: "David S. Ahern" <daahern@cisco.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Anyone seeing huge slowdown launching qemu with Linux 2.6.35?
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:57:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C597FCD.8070703@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C597E6D.1040609@cisco.com>

On 08/04/2010 09:51 AM, David S. Ahern wrote:
>
> On 08/03/10 12:43, Avi Kivity wrote:
>    
>> libguestfs does not depend on an x86 architectural feature.
>> qemu-system-x86_64 emulates a PC, and PCs don't have -kernel.  We should
>> discourage people from depending on this interface for production use.
>>      
> That is a feature of qemu - and an important one to me as well. Why
> should it be discouraged? You end up at the same place -- a running
> kernel and in-ram filesystem; why require going through a bootloader
> just because the hardware case needs it?
>    

It's smoke and mirrors.  We're still providing a boot loader it's just a 
little tiny one that we've written soley for this purpose.

And it works fine for production use.  The question is whether we ought 
to be aggressively optimizing it for large initrd sizes.  To be honest, 
after a lot of discussion of possibilities, I've come to the conclusion 
that it's just not worth it.

There are better ways like using string I/O and optimizing the PIO path 
in the kernel.  That should cut down the 1s slow down with a 100MB 
initrd by a bit.  But honestly, shaving a couple hundred ms further off 
the initrd load is just not worth it using the current model.

If this is important to someone, we ought to look at refactoring the 
loader completely to be disk based which is a higher performance interface.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> David
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-04 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 285+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-03 11:13 [Qemu-devel] Anyone seeing huge slowdown launching qemu with Linux 2.6.35? Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 11:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 12:10   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 12:37     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 12:48       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 13:19         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 13:19           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 14:05           ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 14:38             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 14:53               ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 16:10                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:28                   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 16:44                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:46                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 16:46                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 16:50                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:50                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:53                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 16:53                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 17:01                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 17:01                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 17:42                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 17:42                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 17:58                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 17:58                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 18:11                                   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 18:11                                     ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 18:26                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 18:26                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 18:43                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 18:43                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 18:47                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 18:47                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 18:55                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 18:55                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:00                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:00                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:05                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 19:05                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 19:09                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:09                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:15                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:15                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:24                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:24                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:38                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:38                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:41                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:41                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:47                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:47                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04  5:47                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  5:47                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 21:24                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-03 21:24                                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-03 21:20                                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-03 21:20                                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-04  5:53                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  5:53                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  7:56                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-04  7:56                                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-04  8:17                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  8:17                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  8:43                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04  8:43                                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04  9:22                                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-04  9:22                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-04 13:04                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 13:04                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 13:07                                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 13:07                                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 13:15                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 13:15                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 13:24                                                           ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 13:24                                                             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 13:26                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 13:26                                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:22                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 14:22                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 14:38                                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:38                                                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:50                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 14:50                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 15:01                                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 15:01                                                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 15:07                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 15:07                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 15:15                                                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 15:15                                                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 22:41                                                                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-08-04 22:41                                                                         ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-08-04 16:26                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:26                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 13:34                                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 13:34                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 13:52                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 13:52                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 14:00                                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:00                                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:14                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 14:14                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 14:36                                                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:36                                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:22                                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 14:22                                                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 14:39                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 14:39                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:33                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:33                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:30                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:30                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:36                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:36                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:44                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:44                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:52                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:52                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:37                                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 17:37                                                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05  7:28                                                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-05  7:28                                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-05  7:34                                                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05  7:34                                                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05  7:56                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-05  7:56                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-05  7:59                                                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05  7:59                                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05  8:45                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-05  8:45                                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-05  8:48                                                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05  8:48                                                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05 13:43                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-05 13:43                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:45                                                                   ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 16:45                                                                     ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 16:54                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:54                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:01                                                                       ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:01                                                                         ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:14                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:14                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:27                                                                           ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:27                                                                             ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:34                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:34                                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 20:06                                                                               ` David S. Ahern
2010-08-04 20:06                                                                                 ` David S. Ahern
2010-08-04 20:16                                                                                 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 20:16                                                                                   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-05  2:38                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-05  2:38                                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:26                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 17:26                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 17:31                                                                       ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:31                                                                         ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:35                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:35                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:36                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 17:36                                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 17:36                                                                           ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:36                                                                             ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:46                                                                   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 17:46                                                                     ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 17:50                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:50                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 18:13                                                                     ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 18:13                                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 18:16                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 18:16                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 18:18                                                                         ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 18:18                                                                           ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 18:19                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 18:19                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 18:18                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 18:18                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:42                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:42                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 13:22                                                         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 13:22                                                           ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 13:29                                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 13:29                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 16:25                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:25                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 22:06                                             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 22:06                                               ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04  5:54                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  5:54                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  9:24                                                 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04  9:24                                                   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04  9:27                                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04  9:27                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04  9:52                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  9:52                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 11:33                                                     ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 11:33                                                       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 11:36                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 11:36                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 12:07                                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 12:07                                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 12:59                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 12:59                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:26                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 19:26                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 19:13                                       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 19:13                                         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 19:17                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 19:17                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 19:19                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:19                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:22                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:22                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 20:00                                           ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 20:00                                             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 20:49                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 20:49                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 21:13                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-03 21:13                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-03 21:34                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 21:34                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04  7:57                                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04  7:57                                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04  8:19                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  8:19                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 12:53                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 12:53                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:44                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:44                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:46                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:46                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:48                                                           ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 16:48                                                             ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 16:49                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:49                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:51                                                               ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 16:51                                                                 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:01                                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 17:01                                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 17:19                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:19                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:25                                                                   ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:25                                                                     ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:27                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 17:27                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 17:37                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:37                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:53                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 17:53                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 18:05                                                                         ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 18:05                                                                           ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04  5:56                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  5:56                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  1:17                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-08-04  1:17                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2010-08-04  8:21                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04  8:21                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 14:51                                       ` David S. Ahern
2010-08-04 14:51                                         ` David S. Ahern
2010-08-04 14:57                                         ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-08-04 14:57                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 15:25                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 15:25                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 15:31                                             ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 15:31                                               ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 15:48                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 15:48                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 15:59                                                 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 15:59                                                   ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 16:08                                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 16:08                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 16:48                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:48                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 23:17                                             ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-08-04 23:17                                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-08-05  5:26                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05  5:26                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 16:56                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 16:56                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 16:48                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 17:00                         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 17:05                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:56                       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 17:08                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:39                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 16:39                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 16:43                   ` Richard W.M. Jones

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