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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
	KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Juan Jose Quintela Carreira <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:29:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EBD3145.3050409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EBD2B4F.5040409@codemonkey.ws>

Am 11.11.2011 15:03, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> On 11/11/2011 04:15 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>> Am 10.11.2011 22:30, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
>>> Live migration with qcow2 or any other image format is just not going to work
>>> right now even with proper clustered storage.  I think doing a block level flush
>>> cache interface and letting block devices decide how to do it is the best approach.
>>
>> I would really prefer reusing the existing open/close code. It means
>> less (duplicated) code, is existing code that is well tested and doesn't
>> make migration much of a special case.
> 
> Just to be clear, reopen only addresses image format migration.  It does not 
> address NFS migration since it doesn't guarantee close-to-open semantics.

Yes. But image formats are the only thing that is really completely
broken today. For NFS etc. we can tell users to use
cache=none/directsync and they will be good. There is no such option
that makes image formats safe.

> The problem I have with the reopen patches are that they introduce regressions 
> and change at semantics for a management tool.  If you look at the libvirt 
> workflow with encrypted disks, it would break with the reopen patches.

Yes, this is nasty. But on the other hand: Today migration is broken for
all qcow2 images, with the reopen it's only broken for encrypted ones.
Certainly an improvement, even though there's still a bug left.

>> If you want to avoid reopening the file on the OS level, we can reopen
>> only the topmost layer (i.e. the format, but not the protocol) for now
>> and in 1.1 we can use bdrv_reopen().
> 
> I don't view not supporting migration with image formats as a regression as it's 
> never been a feature we've supported.  While there might be confusion about 
> support around NFS, I think it's always been clear that image formats cannot be 
> used.
> 
> Given that, I don't think this is a candidate for 1.0.

Nobody says it's a regression, but it's a bad bug and you're blocking a
solution for it for over a year now because the solution isn't perfect
enough in your eyes. :-(

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-11 14:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-09 16:29 qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 16:39   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:02   ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:02     ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:35     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:35       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:53       ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 19:53         ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:18       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:18         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:22         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:00           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:00             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:01             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:01               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 10:41               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 10:41                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 16:50                 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 16:50                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:59                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 17:59                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 20:57         ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:57           ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10  8:55       ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 17:50         ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:50           ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:54         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 17:54           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:20           ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 10:20             ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:30             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 13:30               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:36               ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 14:36                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 18:27         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:27           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:42           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 18:42             ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 19:11             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 20:06               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 20:07                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 10:15             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 10:15               ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:03               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:29                 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2011-11-11 14:35                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:44                     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 20:38                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:27                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:39                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:43                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 16:01                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:25               ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 10:25                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14  9:58                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14  9:58                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 10:10                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 10:10                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-15 13:28                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-15 13:28                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 10:16                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:16                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:24                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 10:24                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:08                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:08                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:21                       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:21                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:29                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:29                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:34                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:34                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:37                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:37                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:51                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:51                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:55                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:55                                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:56                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:56                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:58                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:58                                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 12:17                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 12:17                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:36                           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-11-14 11:32                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:32                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 14:19                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 14:19                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-15 13:20                     ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:20                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:56                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:25 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 19:25   ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 23:33   ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 23:33     ` [Qemu-devel] " Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues

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