From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: quintela@redhat.com
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:59:10 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EBC10EE.1010701@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3obwj7wgc.fsf@neno.neno>
On 11/10/2011 10:50 AM, Juan Quintela wrote:
> Kevin Wolf<kwolf@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>>> What I took from the feedback was that Kevin wanted to defer open until the
>>> device model started. That eliminates the need to reopen or have a invalidation
>>> callback.
>>>
>>> I think it would be good for Kevin to comment here though because I might have
>>> misunderstood his feedback.
>>
>> Your approach was to delay reads, but still keep the image open. I think
>> I worried that we might have additional reads somewhere that we don't
>> know about, and this is why I proposed delaying the open as well, so
>> that any read would always fail.
>>
>> I believe just reopening the image is (almost?) as good and it's way
>> easier to do, so I would be inclined to do that for 1.0.
>>
>> I'm not 100% sure about cases like iscsi, where reopening doesn't help.
>> I think delaying the open doesn't help there either if you migrate from
>> A to B and then back from B to A, you could still get old data. So for
>> iscsi probably cache=none remains the only safe choice, whatever we do.
>
> iSCSI and NFS only works with cache=none. Even on NFS with close+open,
> we have troubles if anything else has the file opened (think libvirt,
> guestfs, whatever).
Reopening with iSCSI is strictly an issue with the in-kernel initiator, right?
libiscsi should be safe with a delayed open I would imagine.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
I really think that anynthing different of
> cache=none from iSCSI or NFS is just betting (and yes, it took a while
> for Christoph to convince me, I was trying to a "poor man" distributed
> lock manager, and as everybody knows, it is a _difficult_ problem to
> solve.).
>
> Later, Juan.
>
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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: quintela@redhat.com
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:59:10 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EBC10EE.1010701@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3obwj7wgc.fsf@neno.neno>
On 11/10/2011 10:50 AM, Juan Quintela wrote:
> Kevin Wolf<kwolf@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>>> What I took from the feedback was that Kevin wanted to defer open until the
>>> device model started. That eliminates the need to reopen or have a invalidation
>>> callback.
>>>
>>> I think it would be good for Kevin to comment here though because I might have
>>> misunderstood his feedback.
>>
>> Your approach was to delay reads, but still keep the image open. I think
>> I worried that we might have additional reads somewhere that we don't
>> know about, and this is why I proposed delaying the open as well, so
>> that any read would always fail.
>>
>> I believe just reopening the image is (almost?) as good and it's way
>> easier to do, so I would be inclined to do that for 1.0.
>>
>> I'm not 100% sure about cases like iscsi, where reopening doesn't help.
>> I think delaying the open doesn't help there either if you migrate from
>> A to B and then back from B to A, you could still get old data. So for
>> iscsi probably cache=none remains the only safe choice, whatever we do.
>
> iSCSI and NFS only works with cache=none. Even on NFS with close+open,
> we have troubles if anything else has the file opened (think libvirt,
> guestfs, whatever).
Reopening with iSCSI is strictly an issue with the in-kernel initiator, right?
libiscsi should be safe with a delayed open I would imagine.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
I really think that anynthing different of
> cache=none from iSCSI or NFS is just betting (and yes, it took a while
> for Christoph to convince me, I was trying to a "poor man" distributed
> lock manager, and as everybody knows, it is a _difficult_ problem to
> solve.).
>
> Later, Juan.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-10 17:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-09 16:29 qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:53 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 10:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 10:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 16:50 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 16:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:59 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-11-10 17:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 20:57 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:57 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 8:55 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 17:50 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 17:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:20 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 10:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 13:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 18:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:42 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 18:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 19:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 20:06 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 20:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 10:15 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 10:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:29 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:44 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 20:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:27 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:43 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 16:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 9:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 9:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 10:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 10:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-15 13:28 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-15 13:28 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 10:16 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:16 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 10:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:08 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:08 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:21 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:29 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:29 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:55 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:55 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 12:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 12:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-11-14 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-15 13:20 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:25 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 19:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 23:33 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 23:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
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