From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Juan Jose Quintela Carreira <quintela@redhat.com>,
"libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:24:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111114102421.GE16454@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111114101610.GA32392@redhat.com>
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:16:10AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:25:34PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > On 11/11/2011 12:15 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > Am 10.11.2011 22:30, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> > > > Live migration with qcow2 or any other image format is just not going to work
> > > > right now even with proper clustered storage. I think doing a block level flush
> > > > cache interface and letting block devices decide how to do it is the best approach.
> > >
> > > I would really prefer reusing the existing open/close code. It means
> > > less (duplicated) code, is existing code that is well tested and doesn't
> > > make migration much of a special case.
> > >
> > > If you want to avoid reopening the file on the OS level, we can reopen
> > > only the topmost layer (i.e. the format, but not the protocol) for now
> > > and in 1.1 we can use bdrv_reopen().
> > >
> >
> > Intuitively I dislike _reopen style interfaces. If the second open
> > yields different results from the first, does it invalidate any
> > computations in between?
> >
> > What's wrong with just delaying the open?
>
> If you delay the 'open' until the mgmt app issues 'cont', then you loose
> the ability to rollback to the source host upon open failure for most
> deployed versions of libvirt. We only fairly recently switched to a five
> stage migration handshake to cope with rollback when 'cont' fails.
>
> Daniel
I guess reopen can fail as well, so this seems to me to be an important
fix but not a blocker.
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Juan Jose Quintela Carreira <quintela@redhat.com>,
"libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:24:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111114102421.GE16454@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111114101610.GA32392@redhat.com>
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:16:10AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:25:34PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > On 11/11/2011 12:15 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > Am 10.11.2011 22:30, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> > > > Live migration with qcow2 or any other image format is just not going to work
> > > > right now even with proper clustered storage. I think doing a block level flush
> > > > cache interface and letting block devices decide how to do it is the best approach.
> > >
> > > I would really prefer reusing the existing open/close code. It means
> > > less (duplicated) code, is existing code that is well tested and doesn't
> > > make migration much of a special case.
> > >
> > > If you want to avoid reopening the file on the OS level, we can reopen
> > > only the topmost layer (i.e. the format, but not the protocol) for now
> > > and in 1.1 we can use bdrv_reopen().
> > >
> >
> > Intuitively I dislike _reopen style interfaces. If the second open
> > yields different results from the first, does it invalidate any
> > computations in between?
> >
> > What's wrong with just delaying the open?
>
> If you delay the 'open' until the mgmt app issues 'cont', then you loose
> the ability to rollback to the source host upon open failure for most
> deployed versions of libvirt. We only fairly recently switched to a five
> stage migration handshake to cope with rollback when 'cont' fails.
>
> Daniel
I guess reopen can fail as well, so this seems to me to be an important
fix but not a blocker.
> --
> |: http://berrange.com -o- http://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange/ :|
> |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org :|
> |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :|
> |: http://entangle-photo.org -o- http://live.gnome.org/gtk-vnc :|
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-14 10:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-09 16:29 qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:53 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 10:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 10:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 16:50 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 16:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 17:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 20:57 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:57 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 8:55 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 17:50 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 17:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:20 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 10:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 13:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 18:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:42 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 18:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 19:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 20:06 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 20:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 10:15 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 10:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:29 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:44 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 20:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:27 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:43 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 16:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 9:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 9:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 10:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 10:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-15 13:28 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-15 13:28 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 10:16 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:16 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2011-11-14 10:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:08 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:08 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:21 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:29 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:29 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:55 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:55 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 12:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 12:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-11-14 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-15 13:20 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:25 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 19:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 23:33 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 23:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
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