From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Juan Jose Quintela Carreira <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:36:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EBE8486.8050102@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EBE7500.2010505@codemonkey.ws>
On 11/12/2011 03:30 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Nor can you yank support for migration this way. Might as well put a
>> big sign on 1.0, "Do Not Use This Release".
>
>
> You're joking, right?
No.
>
> Let's be very clear. Live migration works perfectly fine when you use
> raw images and coherent shared storage.
This is not a realistic setup.
>
> NFS is *not* fully coherent so in order to do live migration with NFS,
> you have to use cache=none.
While putting restrictions on features is not ideal, requiring
cache=none is acceptable as it's that's what's recommended anyway by the
qemu management tool writer's guide.
>
> Live migration does not work with image formats. There's not a simple
> way to make it support image files. So far, no one has put the work
> into making it support image files.
It must be possible, since RHEL's qemu-kvm supports it. I'm sure Kevin
and Juan can make it work.
>
>>
>> Making formal plans and sticking to them is great, but not to the point
>> of ignoring reality.
>
> Why do you think this is an end of the world feature?
>
In 2007 when live migration was added, random restrictions like that
weren't important. 4.5 years later, pulling support for it makes us
look like a joke. Even if it's not technically a regression, in terms
of user's expectations, it is. It's simply impossible to delay it for
six more months, or however long the 1.1 cycle takes.
--
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.
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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Juan Jose Quintela Carreira <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:36:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EBE8486.8050102@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EBE7500.2010505@codemonkey.ws>
On 11/12/2011 03:30 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Nor can you yank support for migration this way. Might as well put a
>> big sign on 1.0, "Do Not Use This Release".
>
>
> You're joking, right?
No.
>
> Let's be very clear. Live migration works perfectly fine when you use
> raw images and coherent shared storage.
This is not a realistic setup.
>
> NFS is *not* fully coherent so in order to do live migration with NFS,
> you have to use cache=none.
While putting restrictions on features is not ideal, requiring
cache=none is acceptable as it's that's what's recommended anyway by the
qemu management tool writer's guide.
>
> Live migration does not work with image formats. There's not a simple
> way to make it support image files. So far, no one has put the work
> into making it support image files.
It must be possible, since RHEL's qemu-kvm supports it. I'm sure Kevin
and Juan can make it work.
>
>>
>> Making formal plans and sticking to them is great, but not to the point
>> of ignoring reality.
>
> Why do you think this is an end of the world feature?
>
In 2007 when live migration was added, random restrictions like that
weren't important. 4.5 years later, pulling support for it makes us
look like a joke. Even if it's not technically a regression, in terms
of user's expectations, it is. It's simply impossible to delay it for
six more months, or however long the 1.1 cycle takes.
--
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-12 14:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-09 16:29 qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:53 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 10:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 10:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 16:50 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 16:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 17:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 20:57 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:57 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 8:55 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 17:50 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 17:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:20 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 10:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 13:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:36 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-11-12 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 18:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:42 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 18:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 19:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 20:06 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 20:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 10:15 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 10:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:29 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:44 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 20:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:27 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:43 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 16:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 9:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 9:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 10:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 10:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-15 13:28 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-15 13:28 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 10:16 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:16 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 10:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:08 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:08 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:21 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:29 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:29 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:55 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:55 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 12:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 12:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-11-14 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-15 13:20 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:25 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 19:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 23:33 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 23:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
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