From: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:50:49 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3k4777tom.fsf@neno.neno> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EBB919B.7040605@redhat.com> (Avi Kivity's message of "Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:55:55 +0200")
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 11/09/2011 07:35 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> On 11/09/2011 11:02 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> On 11/09/2011 06:39 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Migration with qcow2 is not a supported feature for 1.0. Migration is
>>>> only supported with raw images using coherent shared storage[1].
>>>>
>>>> [1] NFS is only coherent with close-to-open which right now is not
>>>> good enough for migration.
>>>
>>> Say what?
>>
>> Due to block format probing, we read at least the first sector of the
>> disk during start up.
>>
>> Strictly going by what NFS guarantees, since we don't open on the
>> destination *after* as close on the source, we aren't guaranteed to
>> see what's written by the source.
>>
>> In practice, because of block format probing, unless we're using
>> cache=none, the first sector can be out of sync with the source on the
>> destination. If you use cache=none on a Linux client with at least a
>> Linux NFS server, you should be relatively safe.
>>
>
> IMO, this should be a release blocker. qemu 1.0 only supporting
> migration on enterprise storage?
>
> If we have to delay the release for a month to get it right, we should.
> Not that I think we have to.
I kind of agree here, but it is not my call. Patch 1/2 have been used
on RHEL for almost 3 years, so it should be safe (TM).
Later, Juan.
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From: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:50:49 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3k4777tom.fsf@neno.neno> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EBB919B.7040605@redhat.com> (Avi Kivity's message of "Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:55:55 +0200")
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 11/09/2011 07:35 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> On 11/09/2011 11:02 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> On 11/09/2011 06:39 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Migration with qcow2 is not a supported feature for 1.0. Migration is
>>>> only supported with raw images using coherent shared storage[1].
>>>>
>>>> [1] NFS is only coherent with close-to-open which right now is not
>>>> good enough for migration.
>>>
>>> Say what?
>>
>> Due to block format probing, we read at least the first sector of the
>> disk during start up.
>>
>> Strictly going by what NFS guarantees, since we don't open on the
>> destination *after* as close on the source, we aren't guaranteed to
>> see what's written by the source.
>>
>> In practice, because of block format probing, unless we're using
>> cache=none, the first sector can be out of sync with the source on the
>> destination. If you use cache=none on a Linux client with at least a
>> Linux NFS server, you should be relatively safe.
>>
>
> IMO, this should be a release blocker. qemu 1.0 only supporting
> migration on enterprise storage?
>
> If we have to delay the release for a month to get it right, we should.
> Not that I think we have to.
I kind of agree here, but it is not my call. Patch 1/2 have been used
on RHEL for almost 3 years, so it should be safe (TM).
Later, Juan.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-10 17:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-09 16:29 qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:53 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 10:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 10:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 16:50 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 16:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 17:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 20:57 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:57 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 8:55 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 17:50 ` Juan Quintela [this message]
2011-11-10 17:50 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 17:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:20 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 10:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 13:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 18:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:42 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 18:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 19:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 20:06 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 20:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 10:15 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 10:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:29 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:44 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 20:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:27 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:43 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 16:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 9:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 9:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 10:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 10:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-15 13:28 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-15 13:28 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 10:16 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:16 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 10:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:08 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:08 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:21 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:29 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:29 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:55 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:55 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 12:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 12:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-11-14 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-15 13:20 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:25 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 19:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 23:33 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 23:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
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