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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to DMA functions
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:40:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FBC07E6.80305@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120522120358.GA3504@redhat.com>

On 05/22/2012 07:03 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 09:41:41PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>> On Tue, 2012-05-22 at 14:14 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>> The baseline is the laptop without kvm talking to the server. The
>>>> TCP_STREAM test results are:
>>>
>>> It's not a good test. The thing most affecting throughput results is
>>> how
>>> much CPU does you guest get. So as a minumum you need to measure CPU
>>> utilization on the host and divide by that.
>>
>> The simple fact that we don't reach the baseline while in qemu seems to
>> be a reasonably good indication that we tend to be CPU bound already so
>> it's not -that- relevant. It would be if we were saturating the network.
>>
>> But yes, I can try to do more tests tomorrow, it would be nice if you
>> could contribute a proper test protocol (or even test on some machines)
>> since you seem to be familiar with those measurements (and I have a very
>> limited access to x86 gear ... basically just my laptop).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>
> I have a deja vu. Amos sent perf results when you argued about
> exactly the same issue in guest virtio. Delta was small but
> measureable. At the moment I have no free time or free hardware
> to redo the same work all over again. It's a well known fact that
> actual memory barrier is slow on x86 CPUs. You can't see
> it with network on your laptop? Write a microbenchmark.

The latest patch doesn't put a barrier in map().  I have an extremely hard time 
believing anything that uses _rw is going to be performance sensitive.

There is a correctness problem here.  I think it's important that we fix that 
and then we can focus on improving performance later.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-05-22 21:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-10  4:48 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] IOMMU infrastructure Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] Better support for dma_addr_t variables Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] Implement cpu_physical_memory_zero() Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15  0:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15  1:23     ` David Gibson
2012-05-15  2:03       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-10  4:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] iommu: Add universal DMA helper functions Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] usb-ohci: Use " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] iommu: Make sglists and dma_bdrv helpers use new universal DMA helpers Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] ide/ahci: Use universal DMA helper functions Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  1:51   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13 - UPDATED] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] usb: Convert usb_packet_{map, unmap} to universal DMA helpers Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] iommu: Introduce IOMMU emulation infrastructure Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15  0:49   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15  1:42     ` David Gibson
2012-05-15  2:03       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15  2:32         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15  2:50           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15  3:02             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15 14:02               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15 21:55                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15 22:02                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15 23:08                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15 23:58                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-16  0:41                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-16  0:54                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-16  1:20                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-16 19:36                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] iommu: Add facility to cancel in-use dma memory maps Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] pseries: Convert sPAPR TCEs to use generic IOMMU infrastructure Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] iommu: Allow PCI to use " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] pseries: Implement IOMMU and DMA for PAPR PCI devices Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] iommu: Add a memory barrier to DMA RW function Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15  0:52   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15  1:11     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15  1:44     ` David Gibson
2012-05-16  4:35       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-16  5:51         ` David Gibson
2012-05-16 19:39         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-16 21:10           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-16 21:12             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17  0:07           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17  0:24             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17  0:52               ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC/PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access functions Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17  2:28                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-17  2:44                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17 22:09                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-18  1:04                       ` David Gibson
2012-05-18  1:16                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17  3:35                   ` David Gibson
2012-05-18  6:53               ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] iommu: Add a memory barrier to DMA RW function Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-18  8:18                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-18  8:57                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-18 22:26                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-19  7:24                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-20 21:36                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  1:56                           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access functions Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  8:11                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-21  8:31                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21  8:58                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  9:07                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  9:16                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  9:34                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21  9:53                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21 10:31                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21 11:45                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21 12:18                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21 15:16                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-21 21:58                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access function Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21 22:22                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21 22:56                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22  5:11                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-22  0:00                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22  4:19                                                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-05-21 22:18                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access functions Anthony Liguori
2012-05-21 22:26                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21 22:31                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-21 22:44                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21 23:02                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22  4:34                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to DMA functions Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22  4:51                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22  7:17                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22 11:14                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-22 11:41                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22 12:03                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-22 21:24                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22 21:40                                                   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-05-21 22:37                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access functions Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-15  0:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] IOMMU infrastructure Anthony Liguori

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