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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Bogdan Purcareata <bogdan.purcareata@freescale.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Cc: scottwood@freescale.com, mihai.caraman@freescale.com,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests on RT Linux
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:06:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54E74D5E.1050209@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54E74B58.90706@redhat.com>

On 02/20/2015 03:57 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 20/02/2015 15:54, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
>> Usually you see "scheduling while atomic" on -RT and convert them to
>> raw locks if it is appropriate.
>>
>> Bogdan wrote in 2/2 that he needs to limit the number of CPUs in oder
>> not cause a DoS and large latencies in the host. I haven't seen an
>> answer to my why question. Because if the conversation leads to
>> large latencies in the host then it does not look right.
>>
>> Each host PIC has a rawlock and does mostly just mask/unmask and the
>> raw lock makes sure the value written is not mixed up due to
>> preemption.
>> This hardly increase latencies because the "locked" path is very short.
>> If this conversation leads to higher latencies then the locked path is
>> too long and hardly suitable to become a rawlock.
> 
> Yes, but large latencies just mean the code has to be rewritten (x86
> doesn't anymore do event injection in an atomic regions for example).
> Until it is, using raw_spin_lock is correct.

It does not sound like it. It sounds more like disabling interrupts to
get things run faster and then limit it on a different corner to not
blow up everything.
Max latencies was decreased "Max latency (us)  70        62" and that
is why this is done? For 8 us and possible DoS in case there are too
many cpus?

> Paolo
> 

Sebastian

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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Bogdan Purcareata <bogdan.purcareata@freescale.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, scottwood@freescale.com,
	mihai.caraman@freescale.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests on RT Linux
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:06:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54E74D5E.1050209@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54E74B58.90706@redhat.com>

On 02/20/2015 03:57 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 20/02/2015 15:54, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
>> Usually you see "scheduling while atomic" on -RT and convert them to
>> raw locks if it is appropriate.
>>
>> Bogdan wrote in 2/2 that he needs to limit the number of CPUs in oder
>> not cause a DoS and large latencies in the host. I haven't seen an
>> answer to my why question. Because if the conversation leads to
>> large latencies in the host then it does not look right.
>>
>> Each host PIC has a rawlock and does mostly just mask/unmask and the
>> raw lock makes sure the value written is not mixed up due to
>> preemption.
>> This hardly increase latencies because the "locked" path is very short.
>> If this conversation leads to higher latencies then the locked path is
>> too long and hardly suitable to become a rawlock.
> 
> Yes, but large latencies just mean the code has to be rewritten (x86
> doesn't anymore do event injection in an atomic regions for example).
> Until it is, using raw_spin_lock is correct.

It does not sound like it. It sounds more like disabling interrupts to
get things run faster and then limit it on a different corner to not
blow up everything.
Max latencies was decreased "Max latency (us)  70        62" and that
is why this is done? For 8 us and possible DoS in case there are too
many cpus?

> Paolo
> 

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-20 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-18  9:32 [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests on RT Linux Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18  9:32 ` Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18  9:32 ` [PATCH 1/2] powerpc/kvm: Convert openpic lock to raw_spinlock Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18  9:32   ` Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-23 22:43   ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 22:43     ` Scott Wood
2015-02-18  9:32 ` [PATCH 2/2] powerpc/kvm: Limit MAX_VCPUS for guests running on RT Linux Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18  9:32   ` Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18  9:36   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-18  9:36     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 13:45   ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 13:45     ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-23 22:48     ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 22:48       ` Scott Wood
2015-02-20 13:45 ` [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests " Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 13:45   ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 14:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 14:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 14:16     ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 14:16       ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 14:54     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 14:54       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 14:57       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 14:57         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 15:06         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2015-02-20 15:06           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 15:10           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 15:10             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 15:17             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 15:17               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-23  8:12               ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23  8:12                 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23  7:50           ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23  7:50             ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23  7:29       ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23  7:29         ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23 23:27       ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 23:27         ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 23:27         ` Scott Wood
2015-02-25 16:36         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-25 16:36           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-26 13:02         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-26 13:02           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-26 13:31           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-26 13:31             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-27  1:05             ` Scott Wood
2015-02-27  1:05               ` Scott Wood
2015-02-27 13:06               ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-27 13:06                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-03-27 17:07               ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-03-27 17:07                 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-02 23:11                 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-02 23:11                   ` Scott Wood
2015-04-03  8:07                   ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-03  8:07                     ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-03 21:26                     ` Scott Wood
2015-04-03 21:26                       ` Scott Wood
2015-04-09  7:44                       ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-09  7:44                         ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-09  7:44                         ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-09 23:53                         ` Scott Wood
2015-04-09 23:53                           ` Scott Wood
2015-04-20 10:53                           ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-20 10:53                             ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-21  0:52                             ` Scott Wood
2015-04-21  0:52                               ` Scott Wood
2015-04-22 12:06                               ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-22 12:06                                 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-22 12:06                                 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23  0:30                                 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-23  0:30                                   ` Scott Wood
2015-04-23 12:31                                   ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23 12:31                                     ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23 12:31                                     ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23 21:26                                     ` Scott Wood
2015-04-23 21:26                                       ` Scott Wood
2015-04-27  6:45                                       ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-27  6:45                                         ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-27  6:45                                         ` Purcareata Bogdan

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