From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
Cc: linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
Bogdan Purcareata <bogdan.purcareata@freescale.com>,
mihai.caraman@freescale.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests on RT Linux
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:31:17 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54EF2025.80404@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54EF196E.4090805@redhat.com>
On 02/26/2015 02:02 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>
>
> On 24/02/2015 00:27, Scott Wood wrote:
>> This isn't a host PIC driver. It's guest PIC emulation, some of which
>> is indeed not suitable for a rawlock (in particular, openpic_update_irq
>> which loops on the number of vcpus, with a loop body that calls
>> IRQ_check() which loops over all pending IRQs).
>
> The question is what behavior is wanted of code that isn't quite
> RT-ready. What is preferred, bugs or bad latency?
>
> If the answer is bad latency (which can be avoided simply by not running
> KVM on a RT kernel in production), patch 1 can be applied. If the
can be applied *but* makes no difference if applied or not.
> answer is bugs, patch 1 is not upstream material.
>
> I myself prefer to have bad latency; if something takes a spinlock in
> atomic context, that spinlock should be raw. If it hurts (latency),
> don't do it (use the affected code).
The problem, that is fixed by this s/spin_lock/raw_spin_lock/, exists
only in -RT. There is no change upstream. In general we fix such things
in -RT first and forward the patches upstream if possible. This convert
thingy would be possible.
Bug fixing comes before latency no matter if RT or not. Converting
every lock into a rawlock is not always the answer.
Last thing I read from Scott is that he is not entirely sure if this is
the right approach or not and patch #1 was not acked-by him either.
So for now I wait for Scott's feedback and maybe a backtrace :)
>
> Paolo
Sebastian
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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
Cc: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
Bogdan Purcareata <bogdan.purcareata@freescale.com>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mihai.caraman@freescale.com,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests on RT Linux
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:31:17 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54EF2025.80404@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54EF196E.4090805@redhat.com>
On 02/26/2015 02:02 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>
>
> On 24/02/2015 00:27, Scott Wood wrote:
>> This isn't a host PIC driver. It's guest PIC emulation, some of which
>> is indeed not suitable for a rawlock (in particular, openpic_update_irq
>> which loops on the number of vcpus, with a loop body that calls
>> IRQ_check() which loops over all pending IRQs).
>
> The question is what behavior is wanted of code that isn't quite
> RT-ready. What is preferred, bugs or bad latency?
>
> If the answer is bad latency (which can be avoided simply by not running
> KVM on a RT kernel in production), patch 1 can be applied. If the
can be applied *but* makes no difference if applied or not.
> answer is bugs, patch 1 is not upstream material.
>
> I myself prefer to have bad latency; if something takes a spinlock in
> atomic context, that spinlock should be raw. If it hurts (latency),
> don't do it (use the affected code).
The problem, that is fixed by this s/spin_lock/raw_spin_lock/, exists
only in -RT. There is no change upstream. In general we fix such things
in -RT first and forward the patches upstream if possible. This convert
thingy would be possible.
Bug fixing comes before latency no matter if RT or not. Converting
every lock into a rawlock is not always the answer.
Last thing I read from Scott is that he is not entirely sure if this is
the right approach or not and patch #1 was not acked-by him either.
So for now I wait for Scott's feedback and maybe a backtrace :)
>
> Paolo
Sebastian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-02-26 13:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-02-18 9:32 [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests on RT Linux Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18 9:32 ` Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18 9:32 ` [PATCH 1/2] powerpc/kvm: Convert openpic lock to raw_spinlock Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18 9:32 ` Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-23 22:43 ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 22:43 ` Scott Wood
2015-02-18 9:32 ` [PATCH 2/2] powerpc/kvm: Limit MAX_VCPUS for guests running on RT Linux Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18 9:32 ` Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18 9:36 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-18 9:36 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 13:45 ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 13:45 ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-23 22:48 ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 22:48 ` Scott Wood
2015-02-20 13:45 ` [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests " Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 13:45 ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 14:12 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 14:12 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 14:16 ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 14:16 ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 14:54 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 14:54 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 14:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 14:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 15:06 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 15:06 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 15:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 15:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 15:17 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 15:17 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-23 8:12 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23 8:12 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23 7:50 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23 7:50 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23 7:29 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23 7:29 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23 23:27 ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 23:27 ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 23:27 ` Scott Wood
2015-02-25 16:36 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-25 16:36 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-26 13:02 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-26 13:02 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-26 13:31 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2015-02-26 13:31 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-27 1:05 ` Scott Wood
2015-02-27 1:05 ` Scott Wood
2015-02-27 13:06 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-27 13:06 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-03-27 17:07 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-03-27 17:07 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-02 23:11 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-02 23:11 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-03 8:07 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-03 8:07 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-03 21:26 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-03 21:26 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-09 7:44 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-09 7:44 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-09 7:44 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-09 23:53 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-09 23:53 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-20 10:53 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-20 10:53 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-21 0:52 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-21 0:52 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-22 12:06 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-22 12:06 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-22 12:06 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23 0:30 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-23 0:30 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-23 12:31 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23 12:31 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23 12:31 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23 21:26 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-23 21:26 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-27 6:45 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-27 6:45 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-27 6:45 ` Purcareata Bogdan
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