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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
Cc: linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Bogdan Purcareata <bogdan.purcareata@freescale.com>,
	mihai.caraman@freescale.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests on RT Linux
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:31:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54EF2025.80404@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54EF196E.4090805@redhat.com>

On 02/26/2015 02:02 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 24/02/2015 00:27, Scott Wood wrote:
>> This isn't a host PIC driver.  It's guest PIC emulation, some of which
>> is indeed not suitable for a rawlock (in particular, openpic_update_irq
>> which loops on the number of vcpus, with a loop body that calls
>> IRQ_check() which loops over all pending IRQs).
> 
> The question is what behavior is wanted of code that isn't quite
> RT-ready.  What is preferred, bugs or bad latency?
> 
> If the answer is bad latency (which can be avoided simply by not running
> KVM on a RT kernel in production), patch 1 can be applied.  If the
can be applied *but* makes no difference if applied or not.

> answer is bugs, patch 1 is not upstream material.
> 
> I myself prefer to have bad latency; if something takes a spinlock in
> atomic context, that spinlock should be raw.  If it hurts (latency),
> don't do it (use the affected code).

The problem, that is fixed by this s/spin_lock/raw_spin_lock/, exists
only in -RT. There is no change upstream. In general we fix such things
in -RT first and forward the patches upstream if possible. This convert
thingy would be possible.
Bug fixing comes before latency no matter if RT or not. Converting
every lock into a rawlock is not always the answer.
Last thing I read from Scott is that he is not entirely sure if this is
the right approach or not and patch #1 was not acked-by him either.

So for now I wait for Scott's feedback and maybe a backtrace :)

> 
> Paolo

Sebastian

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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
Cc: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Bogdan Purcareata <bogdan.purcareata@freescale.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mihai.caraman@freescale.com,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests on RT Linux
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:31:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54EF2025.80404@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54EF196E.4090805@redhat.com>

On 02/26/2015 02:02 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 24/02/2015 00:27, Scott Wood wrote:
>> This isn't a host PIC driver.  It's guest PIC emulation, some of which
>> is indeed not suitable for a rawlock (in particular, openpic_update_irq
>> which loops on the number of vcpus, with a loop body that calls
>> IRQ_check() which loops over all pending IRQs).
> 
> The question is what behavior is wanted of code that isn't quite
> RT-ready.  What is preferred, bugs or bad latency?
> 
> If the answer is bad latency (which can be avoided simply by not running
> KVM on a RT kernel in production), patch 1 can be applied.  If the
can be applied *but* makes no difference if applied or not.

> answer is bugs, patch 1 is not upstream material.
> 
> I myself prefer to have bad latency; if something takes a spinlock in
> atomic context, that spinlock should be raw.  If it hurts (latency),
> don't do it (use the affected code).

The problem, that is fixed by this s/spin_lock/raw_spin_lock/, exists
only in -RT. There is no change upstream. In general we fix such things
in -RT first and forward the patches upstream if possible. This convert
thingy would be possible.
Bug fixing comes before latency no matter if RT or not. Converting
every lock into a rawlock is not always the answer.
Last thing I read from Scott is that he is not entirely sure if this is
the right approach or not and patch #1 was not acked-by him either.

So for now I wait for Scott's feedback and maybe a backtrace :)

> 
> Paolo

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-26 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-18  9:32 [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests on RT Linux Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18  9:32 ` Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18  9:32 ` [PATCH 1/2] powerpc/kvm: Convert openpic lock to raw_spinlock Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18  9:32   ` Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-23 22:43   ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 22:43     ` Scott Wood
2015-02-18  9:32 ` [PATCH 2/2] powerpc/kvm: Limit MAX_VCPUS for guests running on RT Linux Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18  9:32   ` Bogdan Purcareata
2015-02-18  9:36   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-18  9:36     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 13:45   ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 13:45     ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-23 22:48     ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 22:48       ` Scott Wood
2015-02-20 13:45 ` [PATCH 0/2] powerpc/kvm: Enable running guests " Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 13:45   ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 14:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 14:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 14:16     ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 14:16       ` Alexander Graf
2015-02-20 14:54     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 14:54       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 14:57       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 14:57         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 15:06         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 15:06           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 15:10           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 15:10             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-20 15:17             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-20 15:17               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-23  8:12               ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23  8:12                 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23  7:50           ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23  7:50             ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23  7:29       ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23  7:29         ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-02-23 23:27       ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 23:27         ` Scott Wood
2015-02-23 23:27         ` Scott Wood
2015-02-25 16:36         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-25 16:36           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-26 13:02         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-26 13:02           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-26 13:31           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2015-02-26 13:31             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2015-02-27  1:05             ` Scott Wood
2015-02-27  1:05               ` Scott Wood
2015-02-27 13:06               ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-02-27 13:06                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-03-27 17:07               ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-03-27 17:07                 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-02 23:11                 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-02 23:11                   ` Scott Wood
2015-04-03  8:07                   ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-03  8:07                     ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-03 21:26                     ` Scott Wood
2015-04-03 21:26                       ` Scott Wood
2015-04-09  7:44                       ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-09  7:44                         ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-09  7:44                         ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-09 23:53                         ` Scott Wood
2015-04-09 23:53                           ` Scott Wood
2015-04-20 10:53                           ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-20 10:53                             ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-21  0:52                             ` Scott Wood
2015-04-21  0:52                               ` Scott Wood
2015-04-22 12:06                               ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-22 12:06                                 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-22 12:06                                 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23  0:30                                 ` Scott Wood
2015-04-23  0:30                                   ` Scott Wood
2015-04-23 12:31                                   ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23 12:31                                     ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23 12:31                                     ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-23 21:26                                     ` Scott Wood
2015-04-23 21:26                                       ` Scott Wood
2015-04-27  6:45                                       ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-27  6:45                                         ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-04-27  6:45                                         ` Purcareata Bogdan

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