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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 02/15] set_memory: add folio_{zap, restore}_direct_map helpers
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 15:41:45 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5c322be7-ea81-4e6a-9689-978c35e93af6@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <efc1c39c-7eb5-488f-819c-0ca2149898c3@kernel.org>
On 06/03/2026 15:17, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 3/6/26 15:48, Nikita Kalyazin wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/03/2026 14:17, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>> On 3/6/26 13:48, Nikita Kalyazin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will update, thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, on x86 we need an explicit flush. Other architectures deal with it
>>>> internally.
>>>
>>> So, we call a _noflush function and it performs a ... flush. What.
>>
>> Yeah, that's unfortunately the status quo as pointed by Aneesh [1]
>>
>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/yq5ajz07czvz.fsf@kernel.org/
>>
>>>
>>> Take a look at secretmem_fault(), where we do an unconditional
>>> flush_tlb_kernel_range().
>>>
>>> Do we end up double-flushing in that case?
>>
>> Yes, looks like that. I'll remove the explicit flush and rely on
>> folio_zap_direct_map().
>>
>>>
>>>> Do you propose a bespoke implementation for x86 and a
>>>> "generic" one for others?
>>>
>>> We have to find a way to have a single set of functions for all archs
>>> that support directmap removal.
>>
>> I believe Dave meant to address that with folio_{zap,restore}
>> _direct_map() [2].
>>
>> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/9409531b-589b-4a54-
>> b122-06a3cf0846f3@intel.com/
>>
>>>
>>> One option might be to have some indication from the architecture that
>>> no flush_tlb_kernel_range() is required.
>>>
>>> Could be a config option or some simple helper function.
>>
>> I'd be inclined to know what arch maintainers think because I don't have
>> a strong opinion on that.
>
> You could also just perform a double flush, and let people that
> implemented a _noflush() to perform a flush optimize that later.
Do you propose to just universalise the one from x86?
int folio_zap_direct_map(struct folio *folio)
{
const void *addr = folio_address(folio);
int ret;
ret = set_direct_map_valid_noflush(addr, folio_nr_pages(folio), false);
flush_tlb_kernel_range((unsigned long)addr,
(unsigned long)addr + folio_size(folio));
return ret;
}
I'm fine with that too.
>
> I mean, that's what secretmem did :)
With the solution above, secretmem stays where it was: no optimisation
so far :)
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 02/15] set_memory: add folio_{zap, restore}_direct_map helpers
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 15:41:45 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5c322be7-ea81-4e6a-9689-978c35e93af6@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <efc1c39c-7eb5-488f-819c-0ca2149898c3@kernel.org>
On 06/03/2026 15:17, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 3/6/26 15:48, Nikita Kalyazin wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/03/2026 14:17, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>> On 3/6/26 13:48, Nikita Kalyazin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will update, thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, on x86 we need an explicit flush. Other architectures deal with it
>>>> internally.
>>>
>>> So, we call a _noflush function and it performs a ... flush. What.
>>
>> Yeah, that's unfortunately the status quo as pointed by Aneesh [1]
>>
>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/yq5ajz07czvz.fsf@kernel.org/
>>
>>>
>>> Take a look at secretmem_fault(), where we do an unconditional
>>> flush_tlb_kernel_range().
>>>
>>> Do we end up double-flushing in that case?
>>
>> Yes, looks like that. I'll remove the explicit flush and rely on
>> folio_zap_direct_map().
>>
>>>
>>>> Do you propose a bespoke implementation for x86 and a
>>>> "generic" one for others?
>>>
>>> We have to find a way to have a single set of functions for all archs
>>> that support directmap removal.
>>
>> I believe Dave meant to address that with folio_{zap,restore}
>> _direct_map() [2].
>>
>> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/9409531b-589b-4a54-
>> b122-06a3cf0846f3@intel.com/
>>
>>>
>>> One option might be to have some indication from the architecture that
>>> no flush_tlb_kernel_range() is required.
>>>
>>> Could be a config option or some simple helper function.
>>
>> I'd be inclined to know what arch maintainers think because I don't have
>> a strong opinion on that.
>
> You could also just perform a double flush, and let people that
> implemented a _noflush() to perform a flush optimize that later.
Do you propose to just universalise the one from x86?
int folio_zap_direct_map(struct folio *folio)
{
const void *addr = folio_address(folio);
int ret;
ret = set_direct_map_valid_noflush(addr, folio_nr_pages(folio), false);
flush_tlb_kernel_range((unsigned long)addr,
(unsigned long)addr + folio_size(folio));
return ret;
}
I'm fine with that too.
>
> I mean, that's what secretmem did :)
With the solution above, secretmem stays where it was: no optimisation
so far :)
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David
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2026-01-26 16:46 [PATCH v10 00/15] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:46 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:46 ` [PATCH v10 01/15] set_memory: set_direct_map_* to take address Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:46 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-28 12:18 ` kernel test robot
2026-01-28 12:18 ` kernel test robot
2026-03-05 17:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 17:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:48 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:48 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 02/15] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 17:34 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 17:34 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:48 ` [PATCH v10 02/15] set_memory: add folio_{zap, restore}_direct_map helpers Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:48 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:17 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:17 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:48 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:48 ` Nikita Kalyazin
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2026-03-06 15:17 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:41 ` Nikita Kalyazin [this message]
2026-03-06 15:41 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 20:06 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 20:06 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 03/15] mm/gup: drop secretmem optimization from gup_fast_folio_allowed Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 04/15] mm/gup: drop local variable in gup_fast_folio_allowed Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:07 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:07 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 05/15] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:49 ` [PATCH v10 06/15] KVM: guest_memfd: Add stub for kvm_arch_gmem_invalidate Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:49 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 07/15] KVM: x86: define kvm_arch_gmem_supports_no_direct_map() Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 08/15] KVM: arm64: " Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 09/15] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:18 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:18 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:22 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:22 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 15:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:42 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 15:42 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 10/15] KVM: selftests: load elf via bounce buffer Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 11/15] KVM: selftests: set KVM_MEM_GUEST_MEMFD in vm_mem_add() if guest_memfd != -1 Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 12/15] KVM: selftests: Add guest_memfd based vm_mem_backing_src_types Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 13/15] KVM: selftests: cover GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_NO_DIRECT_MAP in existing selftests Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 14/15] KVM: selftests: stuff vm_mem_backing_src_type into vm_shape Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 15/15] KVM: selftests: Test guest execution from direct map removed gmem Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
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