From: Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 09/15] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 15:42:01 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6dcbcdcb-bfdd-43a3-b724-599a717c1054@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9b4b9f48-595d-46c9-8f77-fc021ac2619c@kernel.org>
On 06/03/2026 15:16, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 3/6/26 15:49, Nikita Kalyazin wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/03/2026 14:22, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave pointed earlier that the failures were possible [1]. Do you think
>>>> we can document it better?
>>>
>>> I'm fine with checking that somewhere (to catch any future problems).
>>>
>>> Why not do the WARN_ON_ONCE() in folio_restore_direct_map()?
>>>
>>> Then, carefully document (in the new kerneldoc for
>>> folio_restore_direct_map() etc) that folio_restore_direct_map() is only
>>> allowed after a prior successful folio_zap_direct_map(), and add a
>>> helpful comment above the WARN_ON_ONCE() in folio_restore_direct_map()
>>> that we don't expect errors etc.
>>
>> My only concern about that is the assumptions we make in KVM may not
>> apply to the general case and the WARN_ON_ONCE may become too
>> restrictive compared to proper error handling in some (rare) cases. For
>> example, is it possible for the folio to migrate in between?
>
> Not without migration support. But then, migration would have to make
> sure that the destination folio has the direct map removed. So I
> wouldn't worry about that.
>
> Once you return an error from folio_restore_direct_map(), you better
> document when/why it happens and how the caller should handle it.
>
> There is nothing existing callers could really do, so it's an
> implementation detail of the
> folio_zap_direct_map()/folio_restore_direct_map() functions to make sure
> it keeps working.
>
> If it ever fails, we'll have to figure out how to keep the interface
> working.
>
> You can document any restrictions regarding when
> folio_zap_direct_map()/folio_restore_direct_map() is allowed to be used
> in the kerneldoc.
Ok, makes sense to me.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 09/15] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 15:42:01 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6dcbcdcb-bfdd-43a3-b724-599a717c1054@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9b4b9f48-595d-46c9-8f77-fc021ac2619c@kernel.org>
On 06/03/2026 15:16, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 3/6/26 15:49, Nikita Kalyazin wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/03/2026 14:22, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave pointed earlier that the failures were possible [1]. Do you think
>>>> we can document it better?
>>>
>>> I'm fine with checking that somewhere (to catch any future problems).
>>>
>>> Why not do the WARN_ON_ONCE() in folio_restore_direct_map()?
>>>
>>> Then, carefully document (in the new kerneldoc for
>>> folio_restore_direct_map() etc) that folio_restore_direct_map() is only
>>> allowed after a prior successful folio_zap_direct_map(), and add a
>>> helpful comment above the WARN_ON_ONCE() in folio_restore_direct_map()
>>> that we don't expect errors etc.
>>
>> My only concern about that is the assumptions we make in KVM may not
>> apply to the general case and the WARN_ON_ONCE may become too
>> restrictive compared to proper error handling in some (rare) cases. For
>> example, is it possible for the folio to migrate in between?
>
> Not without migration support. But then, migration would have to make
> sure that the destination folio has the direct map removed. So I
> wouldn't worry about that.
>
> Once you return an error from folio_restore_direct_map(), you better
> document when/why it happens and how the caller should handle it.
>
> There is nothing existing callers could really do, so it's an
> implementation detail of the
> folio_zap_direct_map()/folio_restore_direct_map() functions to make sure
> it keeps working.
>
> If it ever fails, we'll have to figure out how to keep the interface
> working.
>
> You can document any restrictions regarding when
> folio_zap_direct_map()/folio_restore_direct_map() is allowed to be used
> in the kerneldoc.
Ok, makes sense to me.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David
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2026-01-26 16:46 [PATCH v10 00/15] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:46 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:46 ` [PATCH v10 01/15] set_memory: set_direct_map_* to take address Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:46 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-28 12:18 ` kernel test robot
2026-01-28 12:18 ` kernel test robot
2026-03-05 17:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 17:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:48 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:48 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 02/15] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 17:34 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 17:34 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:48 ` [PATCH v10 02/15] set_memory: add folio_{zap, restore}_direct_map helpers Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:48 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:17 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:17 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:48 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:48 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 15:17 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:17 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:41 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 15:41 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 20:06 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 20:06 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 03/15] mm/gup: drop secretmem optimization from gup_fast_folio_allowed Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 04/15] mm/gup: drop local variable in gup_fast_folio_allowed Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:07 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:07 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 05/15] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:49 ` [PATCH v10 06/15] KVM: guest_memfd: Add stub for kvm_arch_gmem_invalidate Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:49 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 07/15] KVM: x86: define kvm_arch_gmem_supports_no_direct_map() Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 08/15] KVM: arm64: " Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 09/15] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:18 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:18 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:22 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:22 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:49 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 15:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:42 ` Nikita Kalyazin [this message]
2026-03-06 15:42 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 10/15] KVM: selftests: load elf via bounce buffer Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 11/15] KVM: selftests: set KVM_MEM_GUEST_MEMFD in vm_mem_add() if guest_memfd != -1 Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 12/15] KVM: selftests: Add guest_memfd based vm_mem_backing_src_types Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 13/15] KVM: selftests: cover GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_NO_DIRECT_MAP in existing selftests Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 14/15] KVM: selftests: stuff vm_mem_backing_src_type into vm_shape Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 15/15] KVM: selftests: Test guest execution from direct map removed gmem Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
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