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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 09/15] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 14:49:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <936fa782-d937-4b14-b92d-cc8707336e5e@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0c0b911c-cda2-44a4-897e-361e02be7da5@kernel.org>



On 06/03/2026 14:22, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> [...]
> 
>>>> +     /*
>>>> +      * Direct map restoration cannot fail, as the only error condition
>>>> +      * for direct map manipulation is failure to allocate page tables
>>>> +      * when splitting huge pages, but this split would have already
>>>> +      * happened in folio_zap_direct_map() in
>>>> kvm_gmem_folio_zap_direct_map().
>>>> +      * Note that the splitting occurs always because guest_memfd
>>>> +      * currently supports only base pages.
>>>> +      * Thus folio_restore_direct_map() here only updates prot bits.
>>>> +      */
>>>> +     WARN_ON_ONCE(folio_restore_direct_map(folio));
>>>
>>> Which raised the question: why should this function then even return an
>>> error?
>>
>> Dave pointed earlier that the failures were possible [1].  Do you think
>> we can document it better?
> 
> I'm fine with checking that somewhere (to catch any future problems).
> 
> Why not do the WARN_ON_ONCE() in folio_restore_direct_map()?
> 
> Then, carefully document (in the new kerneldoc for
> folio_restore_direct_map() etc) that folio_restore_direct_map() is only
> allowed after a prior successful folio_zap_direct_map(), and add a
> helpful comment above the WARN_ON_ONCE() in folio_restore_direct_map()
> that we don't expect errors etc.

My only concern about that is the assumptions we make in KVM may not 
apply to the general case and the WARN_ON_ONCE may become too 
restrictive compared to proper error handling in some (rare) cases.  For 
example, is it possible for the folio to migrate in between?

> 
> [...]
> 
>>>> -     if (!is_prepared)
>>>> +     if (!is_prepared) {
>>>>                 r = kvm_gmem_prepare_folio(kvm, slot, gfn, folio);
>>>> +             if (r)
>>>> +                     goto out_unlock;
>>>> +     }
>>>> +
>>>> +     if (kvm_gmem_no_direct_map(folio_inode(folio))) {
>>>> +             r = kvm_gmem_folio_zap_direct_map(folio);
>>>> +             if (r)
>>>> +                     goto out_unlock;
>>>> +     }
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a bit nasty that we have two different places where we have to call
>>> this. Smells error prone.
>>
>> We will actually have 2 more: for the write() syscall and UFFDIO_COPY,
>> and 0 once we have [2]
>>
>> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20260225-page_alloc-unmapped-v1-0-
>> e8808a03cd66@google.com/
>>
>>>
>>> I was wondering why kvm_gmem_get_folio() cannot handle that?
>>
>> Most of the call sites follow the pattern alloc -> write -> zap so
>> they'll need direct map for some time after the allocation.
>>
> 
> Okay. Nasty. :)
> 
> --
> Cheers,
> 
> David


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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 09/15] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 14:49:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <936fa782-d937-4b14-b92d-cc8707336e5e@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0c0b911c-cda2-44a4-897e-361e02be7da5@kernel.org>



On 06/03/2026 14:22, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> [...]
> 
>>>> +     /*
>>>> +      * Direct map restoration cannot fail, as the only error condition
>>>> +      * for direct map manipulation is failure to allocate page tables
>>>> +      * when splitting huge pages, but this split would have already
>>>> +      * happened in folio_zap_direct_map() in
>>>> kvm_gmem_folio_zap_direct_map().
>>>> +      * Note that the splitting occurs always because guest_memfd
>>>> +      * currently supports only base pages.
>>>> +      * Thus folio_restore_direct_map() here only updates prot bits.
>>>> +      */
>>>> +     WARN_ON_ONCE(folio_restore_direct_map(folio));
>>>
>>> Which raised the question: why should this function then even return an
>>> error?
>>
>> Dave pointed earlier that the failures were possible [1].  Do you think
>> we can document it better?
> 
> I'm fine with checking that somewhere (to catch any future problems).
> 
> Why not do the WARN_ON_ONCE() in folio_restore_direct_map()?
> 
> Then, carefully document (in the new kerneldoc for
> folio_restore_direct_map() etc) that folio_restore_direct_map() is only
> allowed after a prior successful folio_zap_direct_map(), and add a
> helpful comment above the WARN_ON_ONCE() in folio_restore_direct_map()
> that we don't expect errors etc.

My only concern about that is the assumptions we make in KVM may not 
apply to the general case and the WARN_ON_ONCE may become too 
restrictive compared to proper error handling in some (rare) cases.  For 
example, is it possible for the folio to migrate in between?

> 
> [...]
> 
>>>> -     if (!is_prepared)
>>>> +     if (!is_prepared) {
>>>>                 r = kvm_gmem_prepare_folio(kvm, slot, gfn, folio);
>>>> +             if (r)
>>>> +                     goto out_unlock;
>>>> +     }
>>>> +
>>>> +     if (kvm_gmem_no_direct_map(folio_inode(folio))) {
>>>> +             r = kvm_gmem_folio_zap_direct_map(folio);
>>>> +             if (r)
>>>> +                     goto out_unlock;
>>>> +     }
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a bit nasty that we have two different places where we have to call
>>> this. Smells error prone.
>>
>> We will actually have 2 more: for the write() syscall and UFFDIO_COPY,
>> and 0 once we have [2]
>>
>> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20260225-page_alloc-unmapped-v1-0-
>> e8808a03cd66@google.com/
>>
>>>
>>> I was wondering why kvm_gmem_get_folio() cannot handle that?
>>
>> Most of the call sites follow the pattern alloc -> write -> zap so
>> they'll need direct map for some time after the allocation.
>>
> 
> Okay. Nasty. :)
> 
> --
> Cheers,
> 
> David


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2026-01-26 16:46 [PATCH v10 00/15] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:46 ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:46 ` [PATCH v10 01/15] set_memory: set_direct_map_* to take address Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:46   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-28 12:18   ` kernel test robot
2026-01-28 12:18     ` kernel test robot
2026-03-05 17:23   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 17:23     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:48     ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:48       ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 02/15] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 17:34   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 17:34     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:48     ` [PATCH v10 02/15] set_memory: add folio_{zap, restore}_direct_map helpers Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:48       ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:17       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:17         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:48         ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:48           ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 15:17           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:17             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:41             ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 15:41               ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 20:06               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 20:06                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 03/15] mm/gup: drop secretmem optimization from gup_fast_folio_allowed Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 04/15] mm/gup: drop local variable in gup_fast_folio_allowed Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:07   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:07     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:49     ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:49       ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-26 16:47 ` [PATCH v10 05/15] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:47   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:49 ` [PATCH v10 06/15] KVM: guest_memfd: Add stub for kvm_arch_gmem_invalidate Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:49   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 07/15] KVM: x86: define kvm_arch_gmem_supports_no_direct_map() Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:08   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:08     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 08/15] KVM: arm64: " Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:08   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:08     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 09/15] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-03-05 19:18   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 19:18     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 12:49     ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 12:49       ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 14:22       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:22         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:49         ` Nikita Kalyazin [this message]
2026-03-06 14:49           ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 15:16           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:16             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 15:42             ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-03-06 15:42               ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 10/15] KVM: selftests: load elf via bounce buffer Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50 ` [PATCH v10 11/15] KVM: selftests: set KVM_MEM_GUEST_MEMFD in vm_mem_add() if guest_memfd != -1 Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:50   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 12/15] KVM: selftests: Add guest_memfd based vm_mem_backing_src_types Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 13/15] KVM: selftests: cover GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_NO_DIRECT_MAP in existing selftests Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 14/15] KVM: selftests: stuff vm_mem_backing_src_type into vm_shape Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53   ` Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53 ` [PATCH v10 15/15] KVM: selftests: Test guest execution from direct map removed gmem Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-26 16:53   ` Kalyazin, Nikita

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