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From: Tobias Waldekranz <tobias@waldekranz.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Antoine Tenart <atenart@kernel.org>,
	Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: net: phy: Dealing with 88e1543 dual-port mode
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:59:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8736149tvf.fsf@waldekranz.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201120102538.GP1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 10:25, Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 10:36:01AM +0100, Maxime Chevallier wrote:
>> So maybe we could be a bit more generic, with something along these lines :
>> 
>>     ethernet-phy@0 {
>>         ...
>> 
>>         mdi {
>>             port@0 {
>>                 media = "10baseT", "100baseT", "1000baseT";
>>                 pairs = <1>;
>> 	    };
>> 
>>             port@1 {
>>                 media = "1000baseX", "10gbaseR"
>>             };
>>         };
>>     };

Yeah that looks even better. Though "pairs" is redundant if you can
specify the list of supported link modes. I guess not specifying "media"
should mean "use all modes supported by the PHY". And if, for example,
media is set to 10-T+100-TX, that means that only two pairs will be
used.

> Don't forget that TP requires a minimum of two pairs. However, as
> Andrew pointed out, we already have max-speed which can be used to
> limit the speed below that which requires four pairs.

Maybe "max-speed" is how you solve this in the absense of explicit an
MDI declaration? Because in the multi-port case, the setting could be
different for the two ports, so you would source the information from
the "media" property instead.

> I have untested patches that allow the 88x3310 to be reconfigured
> between 10GBASE-R and 1000BASE-X depending on the SFP connected -
> untested because the I2C pull-ups on the Macchiatobin boards I have
> are way too strong and it results in SFP EEPROM corruption and/or
> failure to read the EEPROM.
>
>> I also like the idea of having a way to express the "preferred" media,
>> although I wonder if that's something we want to include in DT or that
>> we would want to tweak at runtime, through ethtool for example.
>
> I think preferred media should be configurable through ethtool -
> which is preferred will be specific to the user's application.

Yeah I half-regretted putting that in there right after I hit "send" :)
It should definitely be configurable from ethtool.

> However, there may be scope for DT to be able to specify the default
> preferred media.

This is where I was coming from. The vendor could potentially have more
information on what the default should be. But I guess you could also
argue that there is value in having Linux behave the same across all
devices.

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From: Tobias Waldekranz <tobias@waldekranz.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Antoine Tenart <atenart@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: net: phy: Dealing with 88e1543 dual-port mode
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:59:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8736149tvf.fsf@waldekranz.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201120102538.GP1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 10:25, Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 10:36:01AM +0100, Maxime Chevallier wrote:
>> So maybe we could be a bit more generic, with something along these lines :
>> 
>>     ethernet-phy@0 {
>>         ...
>> 
>>         mdi {
>>             port@0 {
>>                 media = "10baseT", "100baseT", "1000baseT";
>>                 pairs = <1>;
>> 	    };
>> 
>>             port@1 {
>>                 media = "1000baseX", "10gbaseR"
>>             };
>>         };
>>     };

Yeah that looks even better. Though "pairs" is redundant if you can
specify the list of supported link modes. I guess not specifying "media"
should mean "use all modes supported by the PHY". And if, for example,
media is set to 10-T+100-TX, that means that only two pairs will be
used.

> Don't forget that TP requires a minimum of two pairs. However, as
> Andrew pointed out, we already have max-speed which can be used to
> limit the speed below that which requires four pairs.

Maybe "max-speed" is how you solve this in the absense of explicit an
MDI declaration? Because in the multi-port case, the setting could be
different for the two ports, so you would source the information from
the "media" property instead.

> I have untested patches that allow the 88x3310 to be reconfigured
> between 10GBASE-R and 1000BASE-X depending on the SFP connected -
> untested because the I2C pull-ups on the Macchiatobin boards I have
> are way too strong and it results in SFP EEPROM corruption and/or
> failure to read the EEPROM.
>
>> I also like the idea of having a way to express the "preferred" media,
>> although I wonder if that's something we want to include in DT or that
>> we would want to tweak at runtime, through ethtool for example.
>
> I think preferred media should be configurable through ethtool -
> which is preferred will be specific to the user's application.

Yeah I half-regretted putting that in there right after I hit "send" :)
It should definitely be configurable from ethtool.

> However, there may be scope for DT to be able to specify the default
> preferred media.

This is where I was coming from. The vendor could potentially have more
information on what the default should be. But I guess you could also
argue that there is value in having Linux behave the same across all
devices.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-20 10:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-19 14:22 net: phy: Dealing with 88e1543 dual-port mode Maxime Chevallier
2020-11-19 14:22 ` Maxime Chevallier
2020-11-19 14:55 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-19 14:55   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-19 15:19   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-19 15:19     ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-19 15:24   ` Maxime Chevallier
2020-11-19 15:24     ` Maxime Chevallier
2020-11-19 22:43     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-11-19 22:43       ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-11-19 23:16       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-19 23:16         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-20  0:11         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-11-20  0:11           ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-11-20  0:40           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-20  0:40             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-20  9:12             ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-11-20  9:12               ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-11-20  9:36           ` Maxime Chevallier
2020-11-20  9:36             ` Maxime Chevallier
2020-11-20 10:25             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-20 10:25               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-20 10:59               ` Tobias Waldekranz [this message]
2020-11-20 10:59                 ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-11-20 13:55               ` Andrew Lunn
2020-11-20 13:55                 ` Andrew Lunn
2020-11-20 14:18                 ` Maxime Chevallier
2020-11-20 14:18                   ` Maxime Chevallier
2020-11-20  0:00       ` Andrew Lunn
2020-11-20  0:00         ` Andrew Lunn
2020-11-20  9:05         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-11-20  9:05           ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-11-19 15:16 ` Andrew Lunn
2020-11-19 15:16   ` Andrew Lunn
2020-11-19 15:45   ` Maxime Chevallier
2020-11-19 15:45     ` Maxime Chevallier

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