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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Donald Dutile <ddutile@redhat.com>
Cc: Shameer Kolothum via <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	 qemu-arm@nongnu.org,
	Shameer Kolothum <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	eric.auger@redhat.com,  peter.maydell@linaro.org,
	 jgg@nvidia.com, nicolinc@nvidia.com,  berrange@redhat.com,
	 nathanc@nvidia.com, mochs@nvidia.com,  smostafa@google.com,
	 linuxarm@huawei.com, wangzhou1@hisilicon.com,
	 jiangkunkun@huawei.com, jonathan.cameron@huawei.com,
	 zhangfei.gao@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/6] hw/arm/smmuv3: Add support to associate a PCIe RC
Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 09:17:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87frhglwjl.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e02e884b-0f3d-4426-8a67-2cbd23e80e8c@redhat.com> (Donald Dutile's message of "Tue, 6 May 2025 16:48:57 -0400")

Donald Dutile <ddutile@redhat.com> writes:

[...]

> In this series, an iommu/smmu needs to be placed -BETWEEN- a sysbus and a PCIe-tree,
> or step-wise, plug an smmuv3 into a sysbus, and a pcie tree/domain/RC into an SMMUv3.

RC = root complex?

> So, an smmu needs to be associated with a bus (tree), i.e., pcie.0, pcie.1...
> One could model it as a PCIe device, attached at the pcie-RC ... but that's not how it's modelled in ARM hw.

Physical ARM hardware?

Assuming the virtual devices and buses we're discussing model physical
devices and buses:

* What are the physical devices of interest?

* How are they wired together?  Which of the wires are buses, in
  particular PCI buses?

> SMMU's are discovered via ACPI tables.
>
> That leaves us back to the 'how to associate an SMMUv3 to a PCIe tree(RC)',
> and that leads me to the other discussion & format I saw btwn Eric & Shameer:
>  -device arm-smmv3,id=smmuv3.3
>  -device xxxx,smmuv3= smmuv3.3
> where one tags a (PCIe) device to an smmuv3(id), which is needed to build the (proper) IORT for (pcie-)device<->SMMUv3 associativity in a multi-SMMUv3 configuration.
>
> We could keep the bus=pcie.X option for the -device arm-smmuv3 to indicate that all PCIe devices connected to the pcie.0 tree go through that smmuv3;
> qdev would model/config as the smmuv3 is 'attached to pcie.0'... which it sorta is...  and I think the IORT build could associate all devices on pcie.0 to be associated
> with the proper smmuv3.

Device property "bus" is strictly for specifying into which the bus the
device is to be plugged.  The device's type must match the bus: only a
PCI device can plug into a PCI bus, and so forth.

A PCI device has a PCI address (dev.fn) on the bus it's plugged into.
If that's not the case for a physical smmuv3, we should not make the
virtual smmuv3 a PCI device.

Is there any prior art in QEMU, or is this the first device of this
kind?


  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-07  7:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-02 10:27 [PATCH v2 0/6] Add support for user creatable SMMUv3 device Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 10:27 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] hw/arm/smmuv3: Add support to associate a PCIe RC Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 10:27   ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 17:22   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-06  8:14     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-06  8:14       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-02 18:16   ` Donald Dutile
2025-05-05  8:19     ` Eric Auger
2025-05-06  9:07       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2025-05-06  9:07         ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-06  9:35         ` Eric Auger
2025-05-06  8:42     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-06 11:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-06 12:20     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-06 20:48     ` Donald Dutile
2025-05-07  7:17       ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2025-05-07  8:50         ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-07  8:50           ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-08 13:45           ` Donald Dutile
2025-05-08 13:57             ` Peter Maydell
2025-05-09  7:57               ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-09  8:00               ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-09  8:00                 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-09 10:37                 ` Peter Maydell
2025-05-09 10:46                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-05-09 11:43                     ` Peter Maydell
2025-05-22  7:39                       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-22  7:39                         ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-16 20:53               ` Donald Dutile
2025-05-09  7:29             ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-09  7:29               ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-09  8:14               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-05-09  8:18                 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-09  8:18                   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-09  8:44                   ` Eric Auger
2025-05-02 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] hw/arm/virt-acpi-build: Update IORT for multiple smmuv3 devices Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 10:27   ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 17:13   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-02 18:18     ` Donald Dutile
2025-05-06  8:43       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-06  8:00     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-06  8:00       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-05  8:39   ` Eric Auger
2025-05-06  9:12     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-06  9:12       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-02 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] hw/arm/virt: Factor out common SMMUV3 dt bindings code Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 10:27   ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 17:15   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-05  9:01   ` Eric Auger
2025-05-06  9:19     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-06  9:19       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-02 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] hw/arm/virt: Add an SMMU_IO_LEN macro Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 10:27   ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 18:20   ` Donald Dutile
2025-05-05  9:03   ` Eric Auger
2025-05-02 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] hw/arm/virt: Add support for smmuv3 device Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 10:27   ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 17:54   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-06  8:36     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-05 10:12   ` Eric Auger
2025-05-06  9:29     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-05-02 10:27 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] hw/arm/smmuv3: Enable smmuv3 device creation Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 10:27   ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-05-02 18:00   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-05 10:13   ` Eric Auger
2025-05-02 18:11 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Add support for user creatable SMMUv3 device Donald Dutile

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