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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Adeos nanokernel for Linux kernel
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 04:42:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17G9hi-0002Qh-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206042132450.2614-100000@waste.org> <20020606212100.GA1113@elf.ucw.cz> <20020606213551.A3551@mark.mielke.cc>

On Friday 07 June 2002 03:35, Mark Mielke wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:21:00PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > > What you really want for an MP3 player is _not_ hard RT, what you want is
> > > > very reliable low-latency. Which we can do without throwing away most of
> > > > UNIX.
> > > I think that depends on whether you are an audiophile or not.  Or a
> > > broadcaster.  If you're a broadcaster, how many mp3 skips will you
> > > tolerate
> > 10 skips a year is probably okay for broadcaster, "normal" stations
> > using cds are worse than that.
> 
> Also, unless one plans on playing 10+ .mp3's simulataneously on the
> same piece of hardware, I would make a bet that the electric company,
> or the computer itself would 'skip' before the dedicated computer
> 'skipped'. In either case, real time, or no real time, the system will
> skip.

You're both being silly.  The point is not mp3 skips per year, the point is:
is anything less than perfection tolerable, when you know perfection is within
reach?  If it helps, forget I ever said 'mp3' and think 'signal processing'
instead.

I'll go further and say we need realtime processing in our desktops, not
only for signal processing but for more mundane things like moving the mouse
cursor smoothly (yes, this is another item that sucks in Linux).  Sorry, I'm
a perfectionist, and I like precision.  If you're not and you don't, just
say so, and we'll understand each other perfectly.

OK, I'm done with the 'do we really need realtime' FAQ item.

-- 
Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-07  2:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-03  8:35 [ANNOUNCE] Adeos nanokernel for Linux kernel Karim Yaghmour
2002-06-03  8:46 ` Erik Andersen
2002-06-03  8:56   ` Alessandro Rubini
2002-06-03  9:14   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-06-03  9:52     ` Erik Andersen
2002-06-03 10:05       ` Alessandro Rubini
2002-06-03 10:12       ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-06-03 10:33         ` Erik Andersen
2002-06-03 10:38           ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-06-03 11:05         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-03  9:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-04 19:29   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-05  2:20     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-05  2:40       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-05  2:57         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-05 13:51           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-05 14:25             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-05 15:37               ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-05 17:32                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-05 18:06                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-05 18:26                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-05 19:13                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-05 19:40                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-05 20:51                           ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-05 21:45                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-05 21:22                           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-05 21:55                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-06  8:52                               ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-06 10:58                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-06 14:03                                   ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-06 16:53                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-05 20:48                         ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-06  8:34                           ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-08 13:50             ` john slee
2002-06-08 13:59               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-06-06 21:21           ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-07  1:35             ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-07  2:42               ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-06-07  2:48                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-07 10:32                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-07 21:35                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-05  9:41         ` Ingo Oeser
2002-06-05 18:20           ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-06-05  3:56       ` J Sloan
2002-06-05  4:08         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-05  7:28           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-05 11:15           ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-05 12:56             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-05 11:11       ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-05 16:55       ` Rob Landley
2002-06-04 16:10 ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-04 19:59   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-06-04 21:53   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-06-04 23:06     ` Alan Cox
2002-06-05  4:00   ` Daniel Phillips
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-05  9:24 Martin.Knoblauch
2002-06-05 19:01 Paul Zimmerman
2002-06-05 19:11 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-06-05 20:17 ` Daniel Phillips

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