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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Sebastian Sewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Peter Ziljstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: uprobe splat in PREEMP_RT
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 13:31:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250402113142.GG22091@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250402112007.GE22091@redhat.com>

On 04/02, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> On 04/02, Sebastian Sewior wrote:
> >
> > On 2025-04-02 11:10:45 [+0200], Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > Add Peter.
> > >
> > > I never understood why __seqprop_preemptible() returns false.
> > > Stupid question, perhaps
> > >
> > > 	--- x/include/linux/seqlock.h
> > > 	+++ x/include/linux/seqlock.h
> > > 	@@ -213,12 +213,11 @@ static inline unsigned __seqprop_sequenc
> > >
> > > 	 static inline bool __seqprop_preemptible(const seqcount_t *s)
> > > 	 {
> > > 	-	return false;
> > > 	+	return true;
> > > 	 }
> > >
> > > 	 static inline void __seqprop_assert(const seqcount_t *s)
> > > 	 {
> > > 	-	lockdep_assert_preemption_disabled();
> > > 	 }
> > >
> > > 	 #define __SEQ_RT	IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT)
> > >
> > > makes more sense?
> > >
> > > Then we can remove the no longer necessary preempt_disable()'s
> > > before write_seqcount_begin() in other users of seqcount_t.
> >
> > This depends on locktype that is coupled with the seqcount.
>
> Yes.
>
> But seqcount_t doesn't have the "internal" lock. Unlike other
> seqcount's defined by SEQCOUNT_LOCKNAME().
>
> > If the lock disables preemption and relies on it then it must be somehow
> > enforced on PREEMPT_RT or rely on the lock+unlock mechnanism to avoid
> > deadlocks. Also it needs to be ensured that you don't have two writer
> > since preemption is allowed.
>
> Sorry, I don't understand.
>
> Again, seqcount_t differs, it can't do lock+unlock like (say)
> seqcount_spinlock_t.

IOW.

I understand that seqcount_t is not RT-friendly, but why exactly do
you think the patch above can make the things worse?

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-02 11:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-01 21:04 uprobe splat in PREEMP_RT Alexei Starovoitov
2025-04-01 21:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-04-01 22:01   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-04-02 10:33     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 10:57       ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 11:23         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 12:13           ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 12:18             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 12:24               ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 14:12                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-03  7:37                   ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-03 12:27                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-03 16:04                       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-04-02 16:15       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-04-02 16:57         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 12:21     ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02  9:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 10:54   ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 11:20     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 11:31       ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2025-04-02 12:06         ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 12:12           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 12:16             ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 13:56               ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 14:23                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-03  9:08                   ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-03 12:11                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-03 12:43                       ` Oleg Nesterov

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