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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Sebastian Sewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Peter Ziljstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: uprobe splat in PREEMP_RT
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 15:56:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250402135641.GJ22091@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250402121624.lRIPMa_h@linutronix.de>

On 04/02, Sebastian Sewior wrote:
>
> On 2025-04-02 14:12:28 [+0200], Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 04/02, Sebastian Sewior wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2025-04-02 13:31:43 [+0200], Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > >
> > > > IOW.
> > > >
> > > > I understand that seqcount_t is not RT-friendly, but why exactly do
> > > > you think the patch above can make the things worse?
> > >
> > > We wouldn't notice such a case.
> >
> > Sebastian, could you spell please?
> >
> > What case we wouldn't notice?
>
> I'm sorry. It wouldn't notice that preemption isn't disabled and yell.
>
> > With this patch write_seqcount_begin(seqcount_t) will notice that
> > seqprop_preemptible() is true and do preempt_disable() itself.
>
> Yes, but that we don't want. This would disable preemption for the whole
> section and not allow anything on PREEMPT_RT what would be possible
> otherwise. Like acquire a spinlock_t or so.

Still can't understand...

Currently __seqprop_assert() does lockdep_assert_preemption_disabled().
This means that at least with PREEMPT_RT=y preemption must be disabled
even before write_seqcount_begin(seqcount_t).

That is why (I guess) for example i_size_write() does
preempt_disable() before write_seqcount_begin(&inode->i_size_seqcount).

> Yes, none of this would affect hprobe_expire().

Yes.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-02 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-01 21:04 uprobe splat in PREEMP_RT Alexei Starovoitov
2025-04-01 21:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-04-01 22:01   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-04-02 10:33     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 10:57       ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 11:23         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 12:13           ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 12:18             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 12:24               ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 14:12                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-03  7:37                   ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-03 12:27                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-03 16:04                       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-04-02 16:15       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-04-02 16:57         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 12:21     ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02  9:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 10:54   ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 11:20     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 11:31       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 12:06         ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 12:12           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-02 12:16             ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-02 13:56               ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2025-04-02 14:23                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-03  9:08                   ` Sebastian Sewior
2025-04-03 12:11                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-04-03 12:43                       ` Oleg Nesterov

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