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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: vladimir.murzin@arm.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	david.laight.linux@gmail.com, stable@vger.kernel.org,
	ruanjinjie@huawei.com, james.morse@arm.com,
	yang@os.amperecomputing.com, cl@gentwo.org, maz@kernel.org,
	ljs@kernel.org, will@kernel.org, ardb@kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 13/20] arm64: percpu: Add infrastructure for preemptible this_cpu_*() ops
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:21:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <anRuT1Psmar9mW5L@J2N7QTR9R3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d600d0db-5109-4386-9a49-955be74cc432@kernel.org>

On Wed, Aug 05, 2026 at 08:47:08AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 8/5/26 08:45, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> >> Atop v7.2-rc4, with GCC 15.2.0 and defconfig, this is compiled as:
> >>
> >> | <outline_this_cpu_add_u64>:
> >> |        paciasp
> >> |        stp     x29, x30, [sp, #-16]!
> >> |        mrs     x2, sp_el0
> >> |        mov     x29, sp
> >> |        ldr     w3, [x2, #8]
> >> |        add     w3, w3, #0x1
> >> |        str     w3, [x2, #8]
> >> |        mrs     x3, tpidr_el1
> >> |        add     x0, x0, x3
> >> | 1:     ldxr    x5, [x0]
> >> |        add     x5, x5, x1
> >> |        stxr    w4, x5, [x0]
> >> |        cbnz    w4, 1b
> >> |        ldr     x0, [x2, #8]
> >> |        sub     x0, x0, #0x1
> >> |        str     w0, [x2, #8]
> >> |        cbz     x0, 2f
> >> |        ldr     x0, [x2, #8]
> >> |        cbnz    x0, 3f
> >> | 2:     bl      preempt_schedule_notrace
> >> | 3:     ldp     x29, x30, [sp], #16
> >> |        autiasp
> >> |        ret
> > 
> > FWIW, in a recent discussion on some prototype hacking [1] we saw some overhead
> > in micro-benchmarks that would really hammer on a path that would now do a
> > preempt_disable()+preempt_enable().
> > 
> > Switching from preempt_disable() to preempt_enable_no_resched() made it turn to
> > noise. Of course, that has other undesirable impacts, and I am not sure if we
> > are in the territory of code layout changes affecting the numbers.
> > 
> > Just mentioning it as some data point.
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20260630174852-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org/

Thanks for the pointer.

IIUC in those cases you're using preempt_disable() .. preempt_enable()
directly, not this_cpu_*(), right?

If so, patches 5 and 6 of this series [2,3] might have an impact, but I
wouldn't expect a significant change unless you're calling
preempt_enable a lot.

Please beware that it's not safe to use preempt_enable_no_resched()
UNLESS it is immediately followed by a call to schedule(). That's not
documented today (and I couldn't find a good reference), so more folk
are likely to be tempted to use it...

I'll send a patch to clarify that (or at least start the discussion with
scheduler/preempt folk).

Mark.

[2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-arm-kernel/20260804170503.3513916-6-mark.rutland@arm.com/
[3] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-arm-kernel/20260804170503.3513916-7-mark.rutland@arm.com/


  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-06 11:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-04 17:04 [PATCH v2 00/20] arm64: Preemptible this_cpu_*() operations Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 01/20] arm64: percpu: Fix this_cpu_write() casting Mark Rutland
2026-08-05  8:37   ` David Laight
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 02/20] arm64: percpu: Fix this_cpu_and() mask generation Mark Rutland
2026-08-05  9:14   ` David Laight
2026-08-05 13:02     ` Mark Rutland
2026-08-06  8:28       ` David Laight
2026-08-06 10:23         ` Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 03/20] arm64: cmpxchg: LL/SC: Avoid redundant extension Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 04/20] arm64: cmpxchg128: LSE: Remove redundant operands Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 05/20] arm64: preempt: Simplify and optimize __preempt_count_dec_and_test() Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 06/20] arm64: preempt: Treat should_resched() as unlikely Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 07/20] arm64: ptrace: Always inline pt_regs_[read,write}_reg() Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 08/20] arm64: percpu: Factor out percpu offset asm Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 09/20] arm64: gpr-num: Add wxN aliases for wN registers Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 10/20] arm64: gpr-num: add __GPR_NUM() helper Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 11/20] arm64: entry: sdei: Restore all clobberable GPRs Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 12/20] arm64: entry: sdei: Make 'tsk' available Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 13/20] arm64: percpu: Add infrastructure for preemptible this_cpu_*() ops Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 22:45   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-05 10:27     ` David Laight
2026-08-05 12:50       ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-05  6:45   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-05  6:47     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 11:21       ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2026-08-06 11:32         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 12:02           ` Mark Rutland
2026-08-06 13:25           ` David Laight
2026-08-06 13:30             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 14/20] arm64: percpu: Implement preemptible read/write ops Mark Rutland
2026-08-05  9:24   ` Ryan Roberts
2026-08-05 12:08     ` David Laight
2026-08-05 13:34     ` Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 15/20] arm64: percpu: Implement preemptible void RMW ops Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 16/20] arm64: percpu: Implement preemptible return " Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:05 ` [PATCH v2 17/20] arm64: percpu: Implement preemptible XCHG ops Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:05 ` [PATCH v2 18/20] arm64: percpu: Implement preemptible CMPXCHG ops Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:05 ` [PATCH v2 19/20] arm64: percpu: Implement preemptible CMPXCHG128 ops Mark Rutland
2026-08-04 17:05 ` [PATCH v2 20/20] arm64: percpu: Remove _pcp_protect*() wrappers Mark Rutland

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