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From: Thomas Glanzmann <thomas@glanzmann.de>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrey Kuzmin <andrey.v.kuzmin@gmail.com>, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Data Deduplication with the help of an online filesystem check
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:10:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090428201026.GH7217@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1240939275.15136.20.camel@think.oraclecorp.com>

Hello Chris,

> Right now the blocksize can only be the same as the page size.  For
> this external dedup program you have in mind, you could use any
> multiple of the page size.

perfect. Exactly what I need.

> Three days is probably not quite enough ;)  I'd honestly prefer the
> dedup happen entirely in the kernel in a setup similar to the
> compression code.

I see. I think that it wouldn't scale because than all the checksums
need to be stored in memory or at least in an efficient b*tree. For a
1 Tbyte filesystem with 4 kbyte blocks that would mean more 5 G (!)
(assuming a 16 kbyte checksum and 4 byte block identifier and that
leaves out the b*tree overhead for fast searching) of memory.

> But, that would use _lots_ of CPU, so an offline dedup is probably a
> good feature even if we have transparent dedup.

I think that is the right way to go.

> Wire up a userland database that stores checksums and points to
> file, offset tuples

exactly. And if there is a way to retrieve the already calculated
checksums from kernel land, than it would be possible to implement a
,,systemcall'' that gives the kernel a hint of a possible duplicated
block (like providing a list of lists of blocks to the kernel that might
be duplicated because they have the same checksum). Than the kernel code
could dedup the block after byte-byte comparing it.

> Make the ioctl to replace a given file extent if and only if the file
> contents match a given checksum over a range of bytes.  The ioctl should
> be able to optionally do a byte compare of the src and destination pages
> to make 100% sure the data is really the same.

Exactly.

> Make another ioctl to report on which parts of a file have changed
> since a given transaction. This will greatly reduce the time spent
> scanning for new blocks.

That would be perfect. Even better would be a systemcall that reports
all the blocks that have been touched since a specific transaction. Like
a bitmap that sets a ,,1'' for every block that has been touched.

> It isn't painfully hard, but you're looking at about 3 weeks total
> time.

I see, so no quick hack to get it going.

        Thomas

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-28 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-27  3:33 Data Deduplication with the help of an online filesystem check Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-27 13:37 ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28  5:22   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 10:02     ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 13:49       ` Andrey Kuzmin
2009-04-28 13:58         ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 14:04           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:21             ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 20:10               ` Thomas Glanzmann [this message]
2009-04-28 20:29                 ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 13:58         ` jim owens
2009-04-28 16:10       ` Anthony Roberts
2009-04-28 15:59   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 16:04     ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-04-28 17:29       ` Edward Shishkin
2009-04-28 17:34         ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:38           ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 17:43             ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:45             ` Heinz-Josef Claes
2009-04-28 20:16               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 20:36                 ` Heinz-Josef Claes
2009-04-28 20:52                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 20:58                     ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 21:12                       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 21:26                         ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 22:14                           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 23:18                             ` Chris Mason
2009-04-29 12:03                               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-29 13:11                                 ` Michael Tharp
2009-04-29 13:14                                 ` Chris Mason
2009-04-29 13:58                                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-29 14:31                                     ` Chris Mason
2009-04-29 15:26                                       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-29 15:45                                         ` Chris Mason
2009-06-04  8:49                                           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-06-04 11:43                                             ` Chris Mason
2009-06-04 12:03                                               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-06-04 12:43                                                 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-05 12:20                                               ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-06-05 12:50                                                 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-05 15:35                                                   ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-04-29  0:06                       ` Bron Gondwana
2009-05-06 15:16               ` Sander
2009-04-28 17:32       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:41         ` Michael Tharp
2009-04-28 20:14           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-04 14:29           ` Ric Wheeler
2009-05-04 14:39             ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-05-04 14:45               ` Ric Wheeler
2009-05-04 15:15                 ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-04 16:03                   ` Ric Wheeler
2009-05-04 16:16                     ` Andrey Kuzmin
2009-05-04 16:24                       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-04 18:06                         ` Jan-Frode Myklebust
2009-05-04 19:16                           ` Andrey Kuzmin
2009-05-05  8:02                           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-04 16:26                     ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-04 19:11                       ` Heinz-Josef Claes
2009-05-04 21:29                         ` Dmitri Nikulin
2009-05-05  7:18                           ` Heinz-Josef Claes
2009-05-24  7:27                         ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:23     ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 17:37       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:43         ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 20:15           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 21:19           ` Dmitri Nikulin
2009-04-28 20:24       ` Thomas Glanzmann

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