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From: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
To: Tomasz Chmielewski <mangoo@wpkg.org>
Cc: Thomas Glanzmann <thomas@glanzmann.de>,
	Heinz-Josef Claes <hjclaes@web.de>,
	Edward Shishkin <edward.shishkin@gmail.com>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Data Deduplication with the help of an online filesystem check
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:50:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090605125016.GA6942@think> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A290DA0.5090105@wpkg.org>

On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 02:20:48PM +0200, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> Chris Mason wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 10:49:19AM +0200, Thomas Glanzmann wrote:
>>> Hello Chris,
>>>
>>>>>  My question is now, how often can a block in btrfs be refferenced?
>>>> The exact answer depends on if we are referencing it from a single
>>>> file or from multiple files.  But either way it is roughly 2^32.
>>> could you please explain to me what underlying datastructure is used to
>>> monitor if the block is still referenced or already free? Is a counter
>>> used, bitmap (but that can't be if is 2^32) or some sort of list? I
>>> assume that a counter is used. If this is the case, I assume when a
>>> snapshot for example is deleted the reference counter of every block
>>> that was referenced in the snapshot will be decremented by one. Is this
>>> correct or am I missing something here?
>>
>> It is a counter and a back reference.  With Yan Zheng's new format work,
>> the limit is not 2^64.
>>
>> When a snapshot is deleted, the btree is walked to efficiently drop the
>> references on the blocks it referenced.
>>
>> From a dedup point of view, we'll want the dedup file to hold a
>> reference on the file extents.  The kernel ioctl side of things will
>> take care of that part.
>
> I wonder how well would deduplication work with defragmentation? One  
> excludes the other to some extent.

Very much so ;)  Ideally we end up doing dedup in large extents, but it
will definitely increase the overall fragmentation of the FS.

-chris


  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-05 12:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-27  3:33 Data Deduplication with the help of an online filesystem check Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-27 13:37 ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28  5:22   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 10:02     ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 13:49       ` Andrey Kuzmin
2009-04-28 13:58         ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 14:04           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:21             ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 20:10               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 20:29                 ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 13:58         ` jim owens
2009-04-28 16:10       ` Anthony Roberts
2009-04-28 15:59   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 16:04     ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-04-28 17:29       ` Edward Shishkin
2009-04-28 17:34         ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:38           ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 17:43             ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:45             ` Heinz-Josef Claes
2009-04-28 20:16               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 20:36                 ` Heinz-Josef Claes
2009-04-28 20:52                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 20:58                     ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 21:12                       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 21:26                         ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 22:14                           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 23:18                             ` Chris Mason
2009-04-29 12:03                               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-29 13:11                                 ` Michael Tharp
2009-04-29 13:14                                 ` Chris Mason
2009-04-29 13:58                                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-29 14:31                                     ` Chris Mason
2009-04-29 15:26                                       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-29 15:45                                         ` Chris Mason
2009-06-04  8:49                                           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-06-04 11:43                                             ` Chris Mason
2009-06-04 12:03                                               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-06-04 12:43                                                 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-05 12:20                                               ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-06-05 12:50                                                 ` Chris Mason [this message]
2009-06-05 15:35                                                   ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-04-29  0:06                       ` Bron Gondwana
2009-05-06 15:16               ` Sander
2009-04-28 17:32       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:41         ` Michael Tharp
2009-04-28 20:14           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-04 14:29           ` Ric Wheeler
2009-05-04 14:39             ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-05-04 14:45               ` Ric Wheeler
2009-05-04 15:15                 ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-04 16:03                   ` Ric Wheeler
2009-05-04 16:16                     ` Andrey Kuzmin
2009-05-04 16:24                       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-04 18:06                         ` Jan-Frode Myklebust
2009-05-04 19:16                           ` Andrey Kuzmin
2009-05-05  8:02                           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-04 16:26                     ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-04 19:11                       ` Heinz-Josef Claes
2009-05-04 21:29                         ` Dmitri Nikulin
2009-05-05  7:18                           ` Heinz-Josef Claes
2009-05-24  7:27                         ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:23     ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 17:37       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 17:43         ` Chris Mason
2009-04-28 20:15           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-04-28 21:19           ` Dmitri Nikulin
2009-04-28 20:24       ` Thomas Glanzmann

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