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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: "Reshetova, Elena" <elena.reshetova@intel.com>
Cc: "Jiang, Dave" <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	"linux-coco@lists.linux.dev" <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@amd.com>,
	Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
	"Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Ashish Kalra <ashish.kalra@amd.com>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	John Allen <john.allen@amd.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"patches@lists.linux.dev" <patches@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 10/11] virt: coco: arm-cca-host: Publish slot zero and establish streams after acceptance
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2026 13:37:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261102173720.GC274202@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DS4PPFA84FA90FCBFA0773CA4564A0DB095E76A2@DS4PPFA84FA90FC.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Nov 02, 2026 at 10:22:16AM +0000, Reshetova, Elena wrote:

> We can also simplify this further by not using GET_DIEGESTS but
> assuming TSM can return the cert chain for selected slot back to
> kernel/userspace in a trusted way. TDX does it by returning
> the cert chain (actually for all slots if asked, but it is redundant here)
> on successful SPDM.CONNECT and there is a trusted TDX Module
> provided digest covering this info.  
> 
> So, option 1 becomes like:
> 
> 1) With 1.4 match GET_DIGESTS and MULTI_KEY_CONN_RSP=true
>     1) Do via RustSPDM:
>          GET_CERTIFICATE / CERTIFICATE
>    2) Userspace selects slots
>    2a) Calculate a digest for the selected slot
>     3) TSM module does startup 
>   4) Extract cert chain (or only its digest) from info provided by TSM.
> Verify  that the digest from #2a match the digest calculated based on trusted info provided by TSM. 

See my larger email, I don't think this is how SPDM is intended to be
used, you should have a GET_DIGESTS that is covered by a signature and
included in a transcript..

I see only three options:
1) Use a single slot, so KEY_EXCHANGE includes a hash of the single
   slot cert chain
2) Use GET_DIGESTS/CHALLENGE on 1.2 followed by KEY_EXCHANGE.
   Maybe use the same nonce for both signatures so it can't be stale.
3) Use the new multi-key flow on 1.3 which already includes
   GET_DIGESTS in the transcript hashed by KEY_EXCHANGE

These all achieve the same end goal as what the 1.3 spec did, you end
up with a transcript signed by KEY_EXCHANGE that identifies all the
legal certificates.

IMHO there is no reason to deviate from this, so the uAPI should be
designed around it.

Thus I don't think TDX should fake this with a second GET_CERTIFICATES
pass inside the established session and try to skip the signed
digests..

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-02 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-28 15:26 [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] PCI/TSM: Add CTLV attestation Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/11] attestation: Restrict inherited operations per instance Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-30 13:29   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/11] attestation: Filter evidence objects " Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-30 13:44   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-31  6:24     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-11-02 19:14       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/11] attestation: Enter secure operation when evidence is accepted Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-30 13:51   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30 15:36     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-31  4:09     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-11-02 11:28       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] attestation: Bind object selection to accepted evidence snapshots Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/11] attestation: Make the evidence-get challenge attribute optional Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/11] PCI/TSM: Describe the PCI attestation control family Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-30 14:01   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30 15:43     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-02 12:45       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-03 15:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-31  4:05     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-11-02 11:50       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-03 15:35       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-31  4:22     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-11-02 11:30       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-03 15:39       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/11] attestation: Add attestation helpers for PCI/TSM integration Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/11] PCI/TSM: Bind CTLV attestation to connected and locked contexts Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 22:56   ` Dave Jiang
2026-10-29  5:30     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-29 12:41       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-30 14:04   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30 14:08   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30 15:39     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-02 12:11       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-03 15:41         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/11] crypto/ccp: Defer SEV-TIO link setup until evidence acceptance Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/11] virt: coco: arm-cca-host: Publish slot zero and establish streams after acceptance Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-29 16:56   ` Dave Jiang
2026-10-29 17:10     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-30  9:58       ` Reshetova, Elena
2026-10-30 13:15         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-31  3:47           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-11-02 10:11             ` Reshetova, Elena
2026-11-02 17:26               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-03 12:01                 ` Reshetova, Elena
2026-11-03 15:16                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-03 16:31                 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-11-03 17:56                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-02 10:05           ` Reshetova, Elena
2026-11-02 10:22           ` Reshetova, Elena
2026-11-02 17:37             ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/11] virt: coco: arm-cca-guest: Refresh selected evidence against trusted digests Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-30 12:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] PCI/TSM: Add CTLV attestation Xu Yilun
2026-10-30 15:32   ` Jason Gunthorpe

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