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From: David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:23:28 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090527.132328.78091350.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090527192909.GA32398-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>

From: Russell King <rmk+lkml-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:29:10 +0100

> To program them into the hardware registers, which is not what we in
> the ARM community say, but it's what the _network_ guys tell people
> they should be doing.
> 
> I've suggested in the past having a standard kernel parameter such
> that you can specify a mac address on a per-device basis in a totally
> platform independent way, but the network folk don't like that idea.

As a "network guy" I can tell you that when the system firmware
provides a system-wide or device specific MAC address in it's device
tree, that is what you should use.

And that's what I've been doing on sparc FOR 15 YEARS.

Device trees are the only systematic generic mechanism for
describing device layouts on the myriad of embedded boards
out there which you will ever find.

Two platforms, and now a third, have been using this scheme
over a very proven period of time.  It's not a hack, there is
infrastructure to get the boot loaders to do the right thing,
and only ARM seems to resist it. :-)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-27 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2009-05-27 14:27 ` [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform Grant Likely
2009-05-27 14:39   ` Timur Tabi
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2009-05-27 15:05       ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]         ` <20090527150527.GK6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 15:39           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]             ` <fa686aa40905270839m375bbdacqb1acb1be0a2d2da0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 16:20               ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                 ` <20090527162000.GM6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:35                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                     ` <fa686aa40905271335o1165419hda2334bef42aa3f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 23:48                       ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                         ` <20090527234801.GP6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 23:52                           ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:58                           ` Scott Wood
     [not found]                             ` <4A1DD3A0.3010501-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  0:02                               ` David Miller
2009-05-28  0:07                               ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                                 ` <20090528000707.GR6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  0:15                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                     ` <20090527.171525.204909140.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 10:37                                       ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                         ` <20090528103745.GA19523-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 22:32                                           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-29 12:34                                             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                               ` <20090529123411.GB14650-HF5t3jzXg/6ND3a5+9QAFujbO/Zr0HzV@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30  9:52                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-30 10:21                                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                                     ` <20090530102153.GA6910-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30 17:56                                                       ` Mark Brown
2009-06-02  7:57                                                     ` Holger Schurig
     [not found]                                                       ` <200906020957.20493.hs4233-x6+DxXLjN1AJvtFkdXX2Hg4jNU5vUVPG@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-02  9:48                                                         ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  2:57                                   ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                     ` <20090528025718.GC1464-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  3:36                                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:29                                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  9:51                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
     [not found]                                       ` <20090528095126.99DB4832E416-C2Gvrrd9BC/j/ljBK/0BTg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  9:59                                         ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:13                                         ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                                           ` <20090528101339.GV6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 13:33                                             ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                               ` <9e4733910905280633u15546189q37a4b4080158249c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 13:42                                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  9:38                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28  3:21                               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:16                           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  0:55                   ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2009-05-27 18:56             ` Alexander Clouter
     [not found]               ` <2ve0f6-8fn.ln1-kuKQLpWnKMRB2HF5bZY0Orm56z/blAVA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:46                 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:32                   ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 14:29                     ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-27 15:41           ` Peter Korsgaard
     [not found]             ` <87vdnm8sec.fsf-uXGAPMMVk8amE9MCos8gUmSdvHPH+/yF@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 16:23               ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 17:56                 ` Russell King
     [not found]                   ` <20090527175609.GB31861-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:08                     ` Scott Wood
     [not found]                       ` <4A1D8FBA.6040802-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:13                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 19:21                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                             ` <20090527192116.GA31110-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:39                               ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
     [not found]                                 ` <20090527193927.GD30039-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:22                                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                     ` <fa686aa40905271322x2f62c3dcs355374b30b4db3ca-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:19                                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
     [not found]                                         ` <20090527201951.GF30039-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:54                                           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                             ` <fa686aa40905271354y50b9583cp9f53c35354edc285-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  3:04                                               ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:58                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 23:57                                       ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                                         ` <20090527235704.GQ6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  0:00                                           ` David Miller
2009-05-28  3:21                                           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                             ` <fa686aa40905272021w18a148caqd2b73c4448da2b28-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  6:34                                               ` Wolfram Sang
     [not found]                                                 ` <20090528063445.GA12004-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  7:55                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:34                                                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  7:48                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:22                                     ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-27 20:28                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                     ` <20090527.132827.65331718.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:31                                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28  2:52                               ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                 ` <20090528025258.GB1464-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  4:27                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                     ` <20090527.212730.183576278.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  4:47                                       ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                         ` <20090528044732.GK1464-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  5:31                                           ` David Miller
     [not found]                                             ` <20090527.223147.94364683.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  5:47                                               ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:47                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:17                           ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-28 14:24                             ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                             ` <20090528141743.GA16199-SMNkleLxa3Z6Wcw2j4pizdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 14:47                               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 19:29                         ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:47                           ` Sergei Shtylyov
     [not found]                           ` <20090527192909.GA32398-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:53                             ` Scott Wood
     [not found]                               ` <4A1D9A1E.80603-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:54                                 ` Timur Tabi
     [not found]                                   ` <4A1D9A66.5020002-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:25                                     ` David Miller
     [not found]                                       ` <20090527.132553.40558501.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:27                                         ` Timur Tabi
     [not found]                                           ` <4A1DA24D.5000101-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:55                                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                                               ` <20090527.135500.217447785.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 23:26                                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35                                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-05-27 20:14                                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:23                             ` David Miller [this message]
     [not found]                               ` <20090527.132328.78091350.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:27                                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
     [not found]                                   ` <20090527202701.GA16219-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:48                                     ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:56                                     ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:52                             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                               ` <20090527205218.GA5591-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 21:05                                 ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                   ` <fa686aa40905271405pc2f1738gc8dd139f61a0e27-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  0:11                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 12:43                                     ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 13:18                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                                         ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0905281457170.3397-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 15:04                                           ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                                             ` <20090528150409.GO22742-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 15:27                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-29  0:51                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  7:52                                                 ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                                                   ` <20090529075238.GC24565-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29  9:08                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-31 10:52                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                       ` <20090528124307.GN22742-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 14:31                                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:25                                 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  8:10                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:38                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 20:43                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  7:37                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  9:15                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                         ` <20090528091513.GA14789-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  9:57                           ` David Miller
     [not found]                             ` <20090528.025739.16559619.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 10:11                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:33                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 10:34                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                   ` <20090528103421.GC14789-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 22:33                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:14                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                 ` <20090528101440.GB14789-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 21:30                                   ` David Miller
2009-05-28 12:17                             ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-28 12:48                               ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                 ` <20090528124817.GB4565-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 12:55                                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 14:13                               ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                 ` <fa686aa40905280713u2b3ef5fvbe3d58ccdb629b60-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 16:53                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 17:05                                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 18:46                                     ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 22:21                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  1:39                                     ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                       ` <20090529013908.GA7831-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29  1:59                                         ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                           ` <4A1F4189.8060702-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29  3:52                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  4:11                                               ` David Miller
2009-05-29  4:11                                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                                               ` <20090528.211123.46272556.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29  4:56                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  5:11                                                   ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:00                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 11:44                           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 12:47                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                             ` <9e4733910905280547w7ee65d40yb4b3ab9559e14dae-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 14:39                               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:54                           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 18:26                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-28  3:02           ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:32           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:38             ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 16:32         ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 18:50           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]             ` <9e4733910905271150q1d51538draa8d039c8b147c05-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 22:24               ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                 ` <20090527222420.GC5591-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  0:04                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:07                     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]           ` <20090527163223.GE1970-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:42             ` Grant Likely
     [not found]               ` <fa686aa40905271342v5bc51665tb9b5d92950a43b82-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 21:38                 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 22:01       ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]         ` <4A1DB855.2030608-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  8:17           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 17:44   ` Russell King
     [not found]     ` <20090527174440.GA31861-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 17:52       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]         ` <fa686aa40905271052k3f55eb73k2cb0c3cff3c94d7b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  3:44           ` David Gibson

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