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From: David Gibson <david-xT8FGy+AXnRB3Ne2BGzF6laj5H9X9Tb+@public.gmane.org>
To: David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:47:32 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090528044732.GK1464@yookeroo.seuss> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090527.212730.183576278.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:27:30PM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> From: David Gibson <david-xT8FGy+AXnRB3Ne2BGzF6laj5H9X9Tb+@public.gmane.org>
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:52:58 +1000
> 
> > The of_platform bus model is conceptually completely broken, but in
> > practice only slightly broken for all common cases.
> 
> The fact that every single SBUS and EBUS driver for sparc is now an
> of_platform driver, and the fact that as a further result joint
> SBUS/PCI drivers are now almost completely unified, speaks volumes to
> the fact that it is not broken.

Only because the set of busses that need to be probed using devtree
information has a very large overlap with the set of busses that are
specific to OF aware platforms.

The conceptual problem becomes apparent when you consider things like
i2c.  The devtree is the obvious source to discover what i2c device
are present, but they need to be instantiated as i2c devices on the
i2c bus, not of platform devices.

The of_platform bus and the platform bus are just different
implementations of a "dumb" bus (roughly: single address space mapped
somewhere into MMIO, no introspection), the "of" variant being more
convenient for devtree based probing.  There's no inherent reason they
can't be merged, only a whole bunch of little fiddly reasons.

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-28  4:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2009-05-27 14:27 ` [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform Grant Likely
2009-05-27 14:39   ` Timur Tabi
     [not found]     ` <ed82fe3e0905270739k38018c87ka11f62c5977e45fb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 15:05       ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]         ` <20090527150527.GK6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 15:39           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]             ` <fa686aa40905270839m375bbdacqb1acb1be0a2d2da0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 16:20               ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                 ` <20090527162000.GM6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:35                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                     ` <fa686aa40905271335o1165419hda2334bef42aa3f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 23:48                       ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                         ` <20090527234801.GP6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 23:52                           ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:58                           ` Scott Wood
     [not found]                             ` <4A1DD3A0.3010501-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  0:02                               ` David Miller
2009-05-28  0:07                               ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                                 ` <20090528000707.GR6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  0:15                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                     ` <20090527.171525.204909140.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 10:37                                       ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                         ` <20090528103745.GA19523-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 22:32                                           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-29 12:34                                             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                               ` <20090529123411.GB14650-HF5t3jzXg/6ND3a5+9QAFujbO/Zr0HzV@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30  9:52                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-30 10:21                                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                                     ` <20090530102153.GA6910-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30 17:56                                                       ` Mark Brown
2009-06-02  7:57                                                     ` Holger Schurig
     [not found]                                                       ` <200906020957.20493.hs4233-x6+DxXLjN1AJvtFkdXX2Hg4jNU5vUVPG@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-02  9:48                                                         ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  2:57                                   ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                     ` <20090528025718.GC1464-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  3:36                                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:29                                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  9:51                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
     [not found]                                       ` <20090528095126.99DB4832E416-C2Gvrrd9BC/j/ljBK/0BTg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  9:59                                         ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:13                                         ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                                           ` <20090528101339.GV6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 13:33                                             ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                               ` <9e4733910905280633u15546189q37a4b4080158249c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 13:42                                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  9:38                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28  3:21                               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:16                           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  0:55                   ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2009-05-27 18:56             ` Alexander Clouter
     [not found]               ` <2ve0f6-8fn.ln1-kuKQLpWnKMRB2HF5bZY0Orm56z/blAVA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:46                 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:32                   ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 14:29                     ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-27 15:41           ` Peter Korsgaard
     [not found]             ` <87vdnm8sec.fsf-uXGAPMMVk8amE9MCos8gUmSdvHPH+/yF@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 16:23               ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 17:56                 ` Russell King
     [not found]                   ` <20090527175609.GB31861-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:08                     ` Scott Wood
     [not found]                       ` <4A1D8FBA.6040802-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:13                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 19:21                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                             ` <20090527192116.GA31110-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:39                               ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
     [not found]                                 ` <20090527193927.GD30039-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:22                                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                     ` <fa686aa40905271322x2f62c3dcs355374b30b4db3ca-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:19                                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
     [not found]                                         ` <20090527201951.GF30039-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:54                                           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                             ` <fa686aa40905271354y50b9583cp9f53c35354edc285-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  3:04                                               ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:58                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 23:57                                       ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                                         ` <20090527235704.GQ6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  0:00                                           ` David Miller
2009-05-28  3:21                                           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                             ` <fa686aa40905272021w18a148caqd2b73c4448da2b28-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  6:34                                               ` Wolfram Sang
     [not found]                                                 ` <20090528063445.GA12004-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  7:55                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:34                                                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  7:48                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:22                                     ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-27 20:28                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                     ` <20090527.132827.65331718.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:31                                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28  2:52                               ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                 ` <20090528025258.GB1464-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  4:27                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                     ` <20090527.212730.183576278.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  4:47                                       ` David Gibson [this message]
     [not found]                                         ` <20090528044732.GK1464-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  5:31                                           ` David Miller
     [not found]                                             ` <20090527.223147.94364683.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  5:47                                               ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:47                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:17                           ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-28 14:24                             ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                             ` <20090528141743.GA16199-SMNkleLxa3Z6Wcw2j4pizdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 14:47                               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 19:29                         ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:47                           ` Sergei Shtylyov
     [not found]                           ` <20090527192909.GA32398-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:53                             ` Scott Wood
     [not found]                               ` <4A1D9A1E.80603-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:54                                 ` Timur Tabi
     [not found]                                   ` <4A1D9A66.5020002-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:25                                     ` David Miller
     [not found]                                       ` <20090527.132553.40558501.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:27                                         ` Timur Tabi
     [not found]                                           ` <4A1DA24D.5000101-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:55                                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                                               ` <20090527.135500.217447785.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 23:26                                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35                                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-05-27 20:14                                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:23                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                               ` <20090527.132328.78091350.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:27                                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
     [not found]                                   ` <20090527202701.GA16219-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:48                                     ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:56                                     ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:52                             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                               ` <20090527205218.GA5591-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 21:05                                 ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                   ` <fa686aa40905271405pc2f1738gc8dd139f61a0e27-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  0:11                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 12:43                                     ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 13:18                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                                         ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0905281457170.3397-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 15:04                                           ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                                             ` <20090528150409.GO22742-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 15:27                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-29  0:51                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  7:52                                                 ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                                                   ` <20090529075238.GC24565-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29  9:08                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-31 10:52                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                       ` <20090528124307.GN22742-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 14:31                                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:25                                 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  8:10                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:38                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 20:43                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  7:37                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  9:15                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                         ` <20090528091513.GA14789-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  9:57                           ` David Miller
     [not found]                             ` <20090528.025739.16559619.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 10:11                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:33                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 10:34                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                   ` <20090528103421.GC14789-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 22:33                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:14                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                 ` <20090528101440.GB14789-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 21:30                                   ` David Miller
2009-05-28 12:17                             ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-28 12:48                               ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                 ` <20090528124817.GB4565-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 12:55                                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 14:13                               ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                 ` <fa686aa40905280713u2b3ef5fvbe3d58ccdb629b60-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 16:53                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 17:05                                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 18:46                                     ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 22:21                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  1:39                                     ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                       ` <20090529013908.GA7831-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29  1:59                                         ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                           ` <4A1F4189.8060702-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29  3:52                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  4:11                                               ` David Miller
2009-05-29  4:11                                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                                               ` <20090528.211123.46272556.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29  4:56                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  5:11                                                   ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:00                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 11:44                           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 12:47                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                             ` <9e4733910905280547w7ee65d40yb4b3ab9559e14dae-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 14:39                               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:54                           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 18:26                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-28  3:02           ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:32           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:38             ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 16:32         ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 18:50           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]             ` <9e4733910905271150q1d51538draa8d039c8b147c05-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 22:24               ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                 ` <20090527222420.GC5591-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  0:04                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:07                     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]           ` <20090527163223.GE1970-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:42             ` Grant Likely
     [not found]               ` <fa686aa40905271342v5bc51665tb9b5d92950a43b82-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 21:38                 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 22:01       ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]         ` <4A1DB855.2030608-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  8:17           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 17:44   ` Russell King
     [not found]     ` <20090527174440.GA31861-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 17:52       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]         ` <fa686aa40905271052k3f55eb73k2cb0c3cff3c94d7b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28  3:44           ` David Gibson

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