From: Mark Brown <broonie-yzvPICuk2AATkU/dhu1WVueM+bqZidxxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-discuss
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Timur Tabi <timur-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:38:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090527213841.GB5591@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa686aa40905271342v5bc51665tb9b5d92950a43b82-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:42:13PM -0600, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Mark Brown
> > The handling of platform data is my main concern as someone working
> > primarily on platform independant drivers - function pointers are a
> > particular problem but the possibility of having to write code to
> > handle both OF and non-OF systems to cater for systems using both
> > approaches is also a concern for me.
> Having a hook function which generates a pdata structure from a device
> node on a per driver basis is a common approach. Essentially, the
> hook becomes an addon to the driver which doesn't impact the driver as
> a whole. i2c and SPI device tend to take this approach.
Yes, this is what I mean about doing it twice - you have to have the
regular platform data structure plus another function to map the
OpenFirmware data into it. The fact that quite a few of the devices I
deal with want function pointers as platform data doesn't help here.
> > This worries me too, my experiences with OF device tree handling for
> > ASoC have been pretty negative - but then audio is one of the worst
> > cases for handling within the device tree.
> First steps are hard. I2C and SPI work had similar groans and pains,
> and ASoC is considerably more complex. In the end the stuff in
> drivers/of/* was added to handle the creation of i2c, spi and phy
> devices from data in the device tree. It is a mechanism which seems
> to be working well.
Instantiating the devices is a solved problem - with the current code
you can load the drivers for all the various parts of the audio
subsystem via the standard device model with everything appearing on
whatever bus it normally should. The only exception to that is AC97
(because it's a bit special and needs some general TLC). Some more work
is needed on the core to fully take advantage of what this bought us but
as far as loading and initialising device drivers goes you should be
there already.
What's a really crippling problem for what people seem to want to do
with the device tree right now is expressing the clocking trees and
requirements for a non-trivial audio subsystem. The current clock API
is quite a way off being able to cope with this at runtime and without
that the benefits of trying to put the data into device trees are
questionable - a plaform independant representation of this data most
likely needs us to be able to automatically configure the clock tree
based on a description of the interconnects and their constraints.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-27 21:38 UTC|newest]
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2009-05-27 14:27 ` [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform Grant Likely
2009-05-27 14:39 ` Timur Tabi
[not found] ` <ed82fe3e0905270739k38018c87ka11f62c5977e45fb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 15:05 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 16:32 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 18:50 ` Jon Smirl
[not found] ` <9e4733910905271150q1d51538draa8d039c8b147c05-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 22:24 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20090527222420.GC5591-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 0:04 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:07 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20090527163223.GE1970-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:42 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <fa686aa40905271342v5bc51665tb9b5d92950a43b82-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 21:38 ` Mark Brown [this message]
[not found] ` <20090527150527.GK6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 15:39 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <fa686aa40905270839m375bbdacqb1acb1be0a2d2da0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 16:20 ` Robert Schwebel
[not found] ` <20090527162000.GM6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:35 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <fa686aa40905271335o1165419hda2334bef42aa3f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 23:48 ` Robert Schwebel
[not found] ` <20090527234801.GP6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 23:52 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:58 ` Scott Wood
[not found] ` <4A1DD3A0.3010501-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 0:02 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 0:07 ` Robert Schwebel
[not found] ` <20090528000707.GR6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 0:15 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20090527.171525.204909140.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 10:37 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20090528103745.GA19523-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 22:32 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-29 12:34 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20090529123411.GB14650-HF5t3jzXg/6ND3a5+9QAFujbO/Zr0HzV@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30 9:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-30 10:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20090530102153.GA6910-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30 17:56 ` Mark Brown
2009-06-02 7:57 ` Holger Schurig
[not found] ` <200906020957.20493.hs4233-x6+DxXLjN1AJvtFkdXX2Hg4jNU5vUVPG@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-02 9:48 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 2:57 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090528025718.GC1464-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 3:36 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:29 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 9:51 ` Wolfgang Denk
[not found] ` <20090528095126.99DB4832E416-C2Gvrrd9BC/j/ljBK/0BTg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 9:59 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:13 ` Robert Schwebel
[not found] ` <20090528101339.GV6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 13:33 ` Jon Smirl
[not found] ` <9e4733910905280633u15546189q37a4b4080158249c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 13:42 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 9:38 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28 3:21 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:16 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 0:55 ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2009-05-27 18:56 ` Alexander Clouter
[not found] ` <2ve0f6-8fn.ln1-kuKQLpWnKMRB2HF5bZY0Orm56z/blAVA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:46 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:32 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 14:29 ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-27 15:41 ` Peter Korsgaard
[not found] ` <87vdnm8sec.fsf-uXGAPMMVk8amE9MCos8gUmSdvHPH+/yF@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 16:23 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 17:56 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20090527175609.GB31861-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:08 ` Scott Wood
[not found] ` <4A1D8FBA.6040802-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:13 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20090527192116.GA31110-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:39 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
[not found] ` <20090527193927.GD30039-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:22 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <fa686aa40905271322x2f62c3dcs355374b30b4db3ca-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:19 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
[not found] ` <20090527201951.GF30039-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:54 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <fa686aa40905271354y50b9583cp9f53c35354edc285-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 3:04 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 7:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 23:57 ` Robert Schwebel
[not found] ` <20090527235704.GQ6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 0:00 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 3:21 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <fa686aa40905272021w18a148caqd2b73c4448da2b28-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 6:34 ` Wolfram Sang
[not found] ` <20090528063445.GA12004-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 7:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:34 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 7:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:22 ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-27 20:28 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20090527.132827.65331718.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:31 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 2:52 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090528025258.GB1464-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 4:27 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20090527.212730.183576278.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 4:47 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090528044732.GK1464-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 5:31 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20090527.223147.94364683.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 5:47 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 7:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:17 ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-28 14:24 ` Robert Schwebel
[not found] ` <20090528141743.GA16199-SMNkleLxa3Z6Wcw2j4pizdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 14:47 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 19:29 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:47 ` Sergei Shtylyov
[not found] ` <20090527192909.GA32398-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:53 ` Scott Wood
[not found] ` <4A1D9A1E.80603-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 19:54 ` Timur Tabi
[not found] ` <4A1D9A66.5020002-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:25 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20090527.132553.40558501.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:27 ` Timur Tabi
[not found] ` <4A1DA24D.5000101-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:55 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20090527.135500.217447785.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 23:26 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-05-27 20:14 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:23 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20090527.132328.78091350.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:27 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
[not found] ` <20090527202701.GA16219-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:48 ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:56 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:52 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20090527205218.GA5591-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 21:05 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <fa686aa40905271405pc2f1738gc8dd139f61a0e27-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 0:11 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 12:43 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 13:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0905281457170.3397-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 15:04 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20090528150409.GO22742-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 15:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-29 0:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 7:52 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20090529075238.GC24565-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 9:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-31 10:52 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20090528124307.GN22742-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 14:31 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:25 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 8:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 7:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 20:43 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 7:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 9:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20090528091513.GA14789-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 9:57 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20090528.025739.16559619.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 10:11 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:33 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 10:34 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20090528103421.GC14789-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 22:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:14 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20090528101440.GB14789-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 21:30 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 12:17 ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-28 12:48 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090528124817.GB4565-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 12:55 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 14:13 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <fa686aa40905280713u2b3ef5fvbe3d58ccdb629b60-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 16:53 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 17:05 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 18:46 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 22:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 1:39 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090529013908.GA7831-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 1:59 ` Mitch Bradley
[not found] ` <4A1F4189.8060702-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 3:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 4:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-29 4:11 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20090528.211123.46272556.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 4:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 5:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 11:44 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 12:47 ` Jon Smirl
[not found] ` <9e4733910905280547w7ee65d40yb4b3ab9559e14dae-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 14:39 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:54 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 18:26 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-28 3:02 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 7:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:38 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 22:01 ` Mitch Bradley
[not found] ` <4A1DB855.2030608-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 8:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 17:44 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20090527174440.GA31861-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 17:52 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <fa686aa40905271052k3f55eb73k2cb0c3cff3c94d7b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-28 3:44 ` David Gibson
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