From: Yury Norov <ynorov@nvidia.com>
To: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 20/23] virt/steal_monitor: Act on steal values at regular intervals
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2026 12:13:23 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ak53I9beUB-2plNQ@yury> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <be544e00-8cf7-4a09-8b13-2d8b5a98c2ce@linux.ibm.com>
On Wed, Jul 08, 2026 at 04:03:18PM +0530, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
>
>
> On 7/7/26 12:46 PM, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 7/7/26 2:03 AM, Yury Norov wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 01, 2026 at 07:46:51PM +0530, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
> > > > This is the steal_monitor core functionality done in periodic work
> > > >
> > > > - Calculate the steal_ratio. It is multiplied by 100 to consider the
> > > > fractional values of steal time. I.e 10 means 0.1% steal time.
> > > > - If steal value is higher than high threshold, call the method
> > > > to reduce
> > > > the preferred CPUs.
> > > > - If steal value is lower or equal to low threshold, call the method to
> > > > increase the preferred CPUs.
> > > > - If the steal value is in between, no action is taken.
> > > > - Save the values for next delta calculations.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > v5->v6:
> > > > - Address u64 overflow concerns.
> > > >
> > > > drivers/virt/steal_monitor/sm_core.c | 33 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > 1 file changed, 33 insertions(+)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/drivers/virt/steal_monitor/sm_core.c
> > > > b/drivers/virt/ steal_monitor/sm_core.c
> > > > index b499faa61010..7b7435f79b85 100644
> > > > --- a/drivers/virt/steal_monitor/sm_core.c
> > > > +++ b/drivers/virt/steal_monitor/sm_core.c
> > > > @@ -34,6 +34,37 @@ MODULE_PARM_DESC(low_threshold,
> > > > static void compute_preferred_cpus_work(struct work_struct *work)
> > > > {
> > > > + u64 curr_steal, delta_steal, delta_ns, steal_ratio;
> > > > + ktime_t now;
> > > > +
> > > > + curr_steal = get_system_steal_time();
> > > > + now = ktime_get();
> > > > +
> > > > + /* get the deltas */
> > > > + delta_steal = curr_steal > sm_core_ctx.prev_steal ?
> > > > + curr_steal - sm_core_ctx.prev_steal : 0;
> > > > + delta_ns = max_t(u64, ktime_to_ns(ktime_sub(now,
> > > > sm_core_ctx.prev_time)), 1);
> > >
> > > The below return on '!delta_ns' makes this max(...) useless, right?
> > > Regardless, if the time between 2 measures is less then 1ns, I
> > > believe, the whole measure is not trustworthy
> > >
> >
> > Seeing sashiko comment on divide by zero, i forgot I had max above there :(
> >
> > > > +
> > > > + /* Update for next calculation */
> > > > + sm_core_ctx.prev_steal = curr_steal;
> > > > + sm_core_ctx.prev_time = now;
> > >
> > > So below return should go prior to this update, because 'now' is actually
> > > the same as 'prev_time', right?
> > >
> > > I don't understand why 'now' can be so close to prev_time, because
> > > you've scheduled this callback on the regular interval. But if that's
> > > possible, can you explain that and do like this at the very beginning
> > > of the function:
> > >
>
> I don't think it is possible.
>
> > > now = ktime_get();
> > > if (unlikely(now < sm_core_ctx.prev_time +
> > > sm_core_ctx.interval / 2)) {
> > > pr_warn(...);
> > > return;
> > > }
> >
> > Pretty much, just have to requeue the work.
> >
> > >
> > > And if it's a never-happen condition, just use WARN_ON().
> > >
>
> I have decided keep just max_t() to ensure no divide by zero happens.
>
> Issue with putting sm_core_ctx.interval_ms check is that, one may edit
> it while the work is queued, but not yet called. It would print wrongly
> in that case.
Who is that 'one'? If it's userspace, you can simply disallow changing
the interval. If it's kernel, you're already compromised, and
everything is not trustworthy.
I would simply disallow to change any parameters while the driver is
loaded. If I need to change something - I unload it and load with new
interval, or whatever.
> Even if work function gets called prematurely, it should be fine since the
> steal also increases accordingly. No issues in delta logic.
>
> So capping to 1 to ensure no divide by 0 happens due to scaling of
> delta_ns is good enough.
If there's 1 nanosecond between two calls, your statistics is very
inaccurate, pretty much a noise. You want to make decision based on
noise. That's simply wrong.
> > Ya, it is a never-happen condition. I will use WARN_ON.
> >
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-08 16:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-01 14:16 [PATCH v6 00/23] sched: Introduce cpu_preferred_mask and steal-driven vCPU backoff Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 01/23] sched/docs: Document cpu_preferred_mask and Preferred CPU concept Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 02/23] kconfig: Provide PREFERRED_CPU option Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 03/23] cpumask: Introduce cpu_preferred_mask Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 15:35 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-01 16:40 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 04/23] sysfs: Add preferred CPU file Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 05/23] sched/core: Try to use a preferred CPU in is_cpu_allowed Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 16:09 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-01 16:49 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-02 6:30 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 06/23] sched/fair: Load balance only among preferred CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 16:19 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-01 16:41 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 07/23] sched/fair: Pull the load on preferred CPU Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 08/23] sched/core: Keep tick on non-preferred CPUs until tasks are out Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 09/23] sched/core: Push current task from non preferred CPU Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 16:50 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-01 17:03 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 10/23] sched/debug: Add migration stats due to non preferred CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 11/23] virt/steal_monitor: Add documentation Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 12/23] virt: Introduce steal monitor driver Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-03 18:20 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-03 18:27 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-06 8:24 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-06 18:49 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-07 6:47 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-06 8:09 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 13/23] virt/steal_monitor: Restore to active on module disable Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 14/23] virt/steal_monitor: Define steal_monitor structure Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 15/23] virt/steal_monitor: Add control knobs for handling steal values Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-02 7:16 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 16/23] virt/steal_monitor: Compute work at regular intervals Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-03 18:14 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-06 8:38 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 17/23] virt/steal_monitor: Provide default method to get systemwide steal time Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-03 19:16 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-06 8:47 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-06 19:04 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-07 6:50 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 18/23] virt/steal_monitor: Provide default method to inc/dec preferred CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-03 21:11 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-06 9:20 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 19/23] virt/steal_monitor: Provide default method to get num of CPUs for steal ratio Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-06 19:26 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-07 6:55 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 20/23] virt/steal_monitor: Act on steal values at regular intervals Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-02 7:18 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-06 20:33 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-07 7:16 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-08 10:33 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-08 16:13 ` Yury Norov [this message]
2026-07-08 16:55 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-08 19:59 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 21/23] virt/steal_monitor: Add direction control Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-06 20:36 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-07 7:16 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 22/23] virt/steal_monitor: Add design check of preferred subset of active Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-01 14:16 ` [PATCH v6 23/23] virt/steal_monitor: Optimise decrease_preferred_cpus when all CPUs are housekeeping Shrikanth Hegde
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