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From: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 13/24] virt/steal_monitor: Add documentation
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2026 19:35:34 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e65fbded-66d6-4816-b75c-0b38e835e4f8@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260626092806.GL1181229@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>



On 6/26/26 2:58 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2026 at 06:16:37PM +0530, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
> 
>> +Core idea:
>> +==========
>> +steal time is an indication available today in Guest which shows contention
>> +for underlying physical CPU. Use it as a hint in the guest to fold the
>> +workload to a reduced set of vCPUs. When there is contention, steal time
>> +will show up in all the guests. When each guest honors the hint and folds
>> +the workload to a smaller set of vCPUs(Preferred CPUs), it reduces the
>> +contention and thereby reduces vCPU preemption.
>> +This is achieved without any cross-guest communication.
>> +
>> +Steal monitor driver effectively does:
>> +
>> +1. Periodically computes steal time across the system.
>> +
>> +2. If steal time is greater than high threshold, reduce the number of
>> +   preferred CPUs by 1 core. Ensure at least one core is left always.
>> +   This avoids running into extreme cases.
>> +
>> +3. If steal time is lower or equal to low threshold, increase the
>> +   number of preferred CPUs by 1 core. If preferred is same as active,
>> +   nothing to be done.
>> +
>> +4. Ensure preferred CPUs is always subset of active CPUs.
>> +   On feature disable it is same as active CPUs.
> 
> 
> So this is very much a co-operative scheme. Perhaps add a few words to
> describe the effect of a non cooperative guest. IIRC the result is not
> worse than the status quo. That is, if one (or more) guests refuse to
> co-operate it will not make things worse, it will just not result in
> improvements, right?

Yes, for the benefits all the guests should enable the feature. If not,
one guest may use more. but if we see overall combined performance,
it should be better than status quo.

I will add a paragraph about it.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-26 14:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-25 12:46 [PATCH v5 00/24] sched: Introduce cpu_preferred_mask and steal-driven vCPU backoff Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 01/24] sched/debug: Remove unused schedstats Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 02/24] sched/docs: Document cpu_preferred_mask and Preferred CPU concept Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 03/24] kconfig: Provide PREFERRED_CPU option Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 04/24] cpumask: Introduce cpu_preferred_mask Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-26  9:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-26 13:37     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-26  9:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-26  9:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-26 13:09       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-26 13:18         ` Yury Norov
2026-06-26 13:27           ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-26 12:40     ` Yury Norov
2026-06-26 13:18       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-26 18:51     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 05/24] sysfs: Add preferred CPU file Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 06/24] sched/core: allow only preferred CPUs in is_cpu_allowed Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-26 13:06   ` Yury Norov
2026-06-26 13:25     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-26 18:43       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 07/24] sched/fair: Select preferred CPU at wakeup when possible Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-26  9:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-26 13:17     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 08/24] sched/fair: load balance only among preferred CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 09/24] sched/fair: Pull the load on preferred CPU Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-26 10:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-26 13:35     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 10/24] sched/core: Keep tick on non-preferred CPUs until tasks are out Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 11/24] sched/core: Push current task from non preferred CPU Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 12/24] sched/debug: Add migration stats due to non preferred CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 13/24] virt/steal_monitor: Add documentation Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 17:00   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-06-26  4:30     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-26  9:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-26 14:05     ` Shrikanth Hegde [this message]
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 14/24] virt: Introduce steal monitor driver Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 15/24] virt/steal_monitor: Restore to active on module disable Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 16/24] virt/steal_monitor: Define steal_monitor structure Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 17/24] virt/steal_monitor: Add control knobs for handling steal values Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 18/24] virt/steal_monitor: Compute work at regular intervals Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 19/24] virt/steal_monitor: Provide default method to get systemwide steal time Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 20/24] virt/steal_monitor: Provide default method to inc/dec preferred CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 21/24] virt/steal_monitor: Provide default method to get num of CPUs for steal ratio Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 22/24] virt/steal_monitor: Act on steal values at regular intervals Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 23/24] virt/steal_monitor: Add direction control Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v5 24/24] virt/steal_monitor: Add design check of preferred subset of active Shrikanth Hegde

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